To agree with Putin. *MNHQ adding content warning for CSA*

A penis isn't the only method of sexual abuse .

I think a paedophile who has raped a child should have a choice of a) Life sentence without parole or b) Dignitas

Why on earth should they get the right to die and those suffering dreadfully from an illness - don’t

Well that would rather be the point of the research.

Paedophilia is a disorder. It is very poorly understood because, understandably, there is both a reluctance to study it and not a very big pool of potential study subjects willing to say they have it.

The cause of paedophilia is not known although there are several theories. It is known that it generally manifests at puberty - paedophiles don't suddenly appear fully formed living in their mother's basement. It starts in young children from puberty. Would you really advocate for throwing an 11 year old boy into a remote community (or giving him a "bullet", as some posters have put it), because of an involuntary disorder?

If one can identify the cause, then one can a) work on an effective treatment (not castration) and b) identify those who are at risk of developing the disorder and therefore c) remove the risk that they will offend.

Simply wishing it didn't exist isn't going to stop paedophilia. The only way to stop it is to work out the cause and how we can treat it. Personally I would love to see a world without paedophiles, but that isn't going to happen with a bullet or sending them all off to an island.

And the cost of Dignitas!

@clpsmum Do you honestly believe that no innocent person has ever been jailed or executed? You seem like the type of person who would join an angry mob, violence first then gather facts later. If you get it wrong it's fine, you just justify it by saying it was the right thing at the time

I think it’s pretty clear @LadyMaryTalbotCrawleysEyebrows was talking about active paedophiles. How would you know about (supposedly) inactive ones? It’s not the kind of thing people tend to broadcast… and it’s hard enough to identify and prosecute perpetrators as it is!

Of course you want an intervention that works.

What did you find when you read the research into whether this intervention works?

I’m sure you didn’t simply seize on
something that sounds good to the Daily Mail readership, you checked it out thoroughly to be sure it’s the right way to ensure the safety of children surely?

Share what you found.

Do shop lifters and paedophiles have something in common in your head?! How on earth have you managed to conflate the two?

"Logically, if vaccines were any sort of protection, no vaccinated people would have died from Covid". No. That's not how things work.

I completely agree with you I think it does need studying and I’m not sure that it should be optional to be able to refuse to partake in those studies once identified. Even at 11 years old.
The issue will be that the study methods will be unpalatable to Many, as I’m sure were examination of homosexuals brains. Not comparing the two.
but I guess that’s where wewill find ourselves, and the concern is that they’ll be many people who will fight against it with the narrative paedophiles are humans too.
given we can’t remove the paedophiles, we do need to move them away from potential victims by whatever means possible.

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals, but I disagree with so-called "chemical castration" on moral and ethical grounds. It's just weird, using medical procedures to fuck with people. At least with torture or execution there doesn't need to be any medical involvement (except maybe a doctor to check they're dead, if it isn't obvious). Don't doctors etc have to take an oath not to harm people? I think torture and the death penalty should be carried out by non-medical personnel. If they fuck up a little bit it doesn't really matter anyway.

So why have the death penalty? Presumably just to get rid of people. As it's clearly not a deterrent.
And are people actually saying that torture is OK? I really can't believe that people would stoop that low. It's shocking to think anyone would be happy to torture another human being. FFS!!

I'm a big fan of the death penalty and am not averse to torture being part of the punishment for some criminals

That's a lot of words to describe you that could probably be condensed into one or two.

How does your justice system deal with wrongfully convicted people like (say) Timothy Evans, the Birmingham six, Guildford four, Stefan Kizko, and most recently Andrew Malkinson ?

Personally I think we need to open options for people to seek treatment when they begin to have these thoughts. If they are able to seek effective psychological treatment then I would hope there would be less offending. Alongside this, we need more robust sentencing and treatment options once incarcerated for those who do offend.

I personally am sick of people holding huge protests whenever an offender is released into an area. They soon disband once the individual is gone (ie removed and rehoused for their own safety). As such, they never actually work towards reforming the system or getting sentences increased (or whatever they desire). It’s very much “not in my back yard” but doesn’t actually resolve any issues.

Also, given Russia’s horrific policies against homosexuality, I believe this policy is likely to be abused and used against gay men.

I would be too concerned about miscarriages of justice.

Unfortunately, I lack faith in our jury system.

@loislovesstewie You're claiming the death penalty is not a deterrent but haven't provided any evidence for that.

In America death penalty states have a higher murder rate than non death penalty states.

deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states

@loislovesstewieYou're claiming the death penalty is not a deterrent but haven't provided any evidence for that.

Even if it were a deterrent, it's clearly not that good, as countries with it haven't eliminated murder, have they ?

Morally, economically, psychologically and practically there really is nothing positive about the death penalty, except as a way of identifying low energy thinkers.

@SerendipityJane "Even if medicine does work a bit, it's clearly not that good, as countries with it haven't eliminated death, have they ?"

Yep. Some really low energy thinking there.

@SerendipityJane"Even if medicine does work a bit, it's clearly not that good, as countries with it haven't eliminated death, have they ?"

Yep. Some really low energy thinking there.

False analogies are the hallmark of the dim.

I'm claiming it's not a deterrent because clearly historically people were executed for offenses which we now consider trivial . And they were, in huge numbers, clearly they weren't considering the punishment when they committed the crime.

@SerendipityJane We got to end of your debating abilities VERY quickly didn't we? No wonder you lost the argument.

@loislovesstewie So your "logic" is that people who committed a crime were not deterred by the prospect of punishment: therefore punishment is not a deterrent. It's actually the people who would have committed the crime but didn't that are relevant here.