to really and truly wish death on this person?

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If I had a magic wand I would wave it and wish the most awful death I could think of on the person that kicked to death my neighbours two year old Jack Russell yesterday. He ran off through the bushes, my neighbour followed and in the couple of miuntes the dog was out of sight he was kicked/bludgeoned to death. Police have been informed but are not hopeful.

Honestly, some people should just die.

When applied to things like food, medical care maybe. If you have limited resources you'd deal with your child and rehome the animal. But animals have just as right not to be abused and stamped on as children. Simply because they are as defenseless, and rely on humans to care for them in the same way.
Therefore a pet being stamped to death has the same effect IMO

Presumably you are a vegan junglist?

VEGETARIAN AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE

So if a vegan was to decide that human rights do not apply to people who eat eggs, because they cause the throat-slitting of day-old baby male chicks, would that be OK?

You can't make human rights available to a selection of people who meet your criteria as acceptable. What happens when you fall outside someone's bounds of acceptability? They can torture you to death?

Crazy.

Human rights are universal and to deny this is a sign of a illogical at best, disturbed at worst, mentality.

Not wishing to torture someone to death isn't the same as not wishing someone who is cruel to animals to be punished btw.

SPEAKING IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT.

You cannot actively participate in the exploitation of animals causing much stress and suffering and then say a person killing a dog deserves a horrific death.

Hypocritical.

Excellent post antoinette.

Alouise Swearing doesn't make your right (or 'ard) and I don't like your name either!

Why has no-one suggested the owner be done for dogslaughter? We know that his neglect and irresponsible behaviour led directly to the dog's death. That we KNOW. The rest is just speculation!

I haven't read all the post so I'll just answer the OP as no doubt Jungalist has already posted on here and summed up my own feelings.

You are damn well NOT being unreasonable and I wish the person responsible a slow and painful death, which I'd willingly administer.

May that poor dog rest in peace and I pray to goodness that he didn't suffer.

Good on you Vallhala
To all the not bothered people I just got back from the pub and found out my friends goddaughter, who is 15, has 4 puppies in her house because a man was going to drown the lot of them. Instead of allowing that she took them. A 15 year old had the balls to do it. So thanks to her I'm even more sure of my opinion. Not capable of articulating quite as well as though due to the drink so flame me tomorrow

presumably said man should be drowned.

I wouldn't give a crap if he was.

I don't habour such hatred.

The offender should be brought to justice though.

That's all well and good when there is proper sentences and rehabilitation for these people. There isn't, and never will be.
The man above knew there are animal shelters, or even leaving them outside a police station. But oh no, he chose to be deliberately cruel. How he would have enjoyed it.

Happy both to drown said man and to help your friend's GD find homes and homechecks o r no-kill rescue places for the pups, Jungalist. Just give me a shout if you need me, best probably to post on Pets (re the pups I mean! ).

What a lovely girl, I bet her folks are incredibly proud of her.

I have a tag-line on many of my rescue forum posts... No kill, no excuses, no limits, no fear. I pinched it from a rescue owner I know so can't boast it's my own smart thinking but it sums it up for me.

Then campaign for prison sentences for animal cruelty. Put your energies into something constructive.

Thanks for that Val. She's allowed to keep one, others have shown an interest but if there are any left over will give you a shout. My mate is going to be asking if anyone knows where this specimen lives, to see if he owns any other animals. I'm on the case.
Her mum is very proud, and so am I although I don't know her that well. That's what I hope my boys would do at that age

I've no doubt that your boys will Jungalist. Last year we reared and/or rehabilitated several small birds, a hedgehog, a huge duck with a broken wing and a pigeon. The pigeon was only about 14 day old when my then 12 yo DD found him (he'd fallen out of his nest and pigeon mothers don't recognise their own so would have died without DDs help). He became imprinted despite our attempts to prevent it, viewed DD as his mum and flew to the hand when called. He's now in the safety of PACT sanctuary in Norfolk.

He, like all the others, came to us thanks to DD finding and rescuing him. She braved the threat of a kicking to save the hedgehog (now also vet treated, fattened up to proper weight and released to the wild) as some kids were trying to use him as a football and offered her the same treatment when she intervened.

That's really lovely.If there were more like us maybe animal rights would be taken seriously. For me how people treat animals is how they treat children. IMO you either have compassion, or don't.

If he does have animals they'll be going by the way. By hook or crook.
Flame away people flame away

Wishing death on a person is not very compassionate.

Do you really think people who disagree with you on that point have no compassion for animals? If so you are very wrong.

Some people have excused walking past while a dog gets beaten to death. Not explicitly, but the gist of it is it doesn't matter that much. You obviously know about animal rights so aren't included in that.

Pofacedagain, sometimes campaigning is just not enough. Certainly it doesn't help in the here and now.

I have another rescue contact, an unashamed, self confessed extremist, who will often say that tears mean nothing... action is everything. To an extent she's right, whether you agree with her outlook or not. I am damn sure that the hunting ban didn't come into place because of campaigns and banner-waving but because people went out to film the attrocities and make them public, to argue face to face with the hunt and yes, to scupper their plans. We see the same with places like HLS. Only when action, rather than words or petitions, comes into play, do those who carry out business with Huntingdon step back, realise that financially it's not worth their while to trade with this organisation and withdraw their trade.

In a perfect world I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. I am one of those who does campaign for tougher sentences for animal abusers, particularly as often in law animals are viewed as belongings like a TV set and not sentient beings. In the meantime I can not and will not sit back and allow animal abuse to go unpunished.

This all got a bit out of hand no? I have no doubt that Junglist probably wouldn't hurt the the person who killed this dog, if it was indeed a person. But she is not BU to wish it, nor is the op. It is a natural human response to such terrible acts surely? I'd feel the same if I knew the dog. Poor dog. I hope it didn't suffer

Though I agree there are many things that could have happened to the dog, being deliberately attacked, is the least likely. More likely that it was a cyclist or passer by acting out of fear who was too ashamed/twattish to stop and explain or try to help the animal.

I love dogs, but when I was walking to the shop earlier I was accosted by a very bouncy greyhound puppy. All fine. Puppies are yummy. When it's adult mate jumped out of the car and ran at me growling, however, I have to admit the thought of kicking it away if it got closer did cross my mind. This was a larger dog. A JRT wouldn't need kicking away. A foot placed gently but firmly on it's side would hold it down while you maneged to control it. JRTs are very small. Saying that though I am not afraid of dogs. Particularly small terriers. Some one who was afraid wouldn't be thinking rationally if they were approached by a growling terrier or even just a running terrier, if their fear was great enough.

Wrt the dog being dragged away and the woman not helping, I'd have thought it was sheer laziness that stopped her stepping in rather than fear. If I heard a dog screaming in pain I'd go and investigate immediately as my first instinct would be that it had gotten trapped or accidentially hurt. It wouldn't even cross my mind that some-one couldn't be beating it. Why would it? It is not normal, everyday behavior.

Who posted that link? While I have every sympathy for that poor little girl, what was she doing close enough to the dog to get her face hurt in the first place? You should never approach an unknown tethered dog unless the owner says it is okay, lest of all out your face close to one.

Absolutely.
That is why I'm saying I would physically prevent someone from hurting an animal. It's an emergency situation and I would never walk on by no matter what.
As an example, I rescued one of my own staffies from a guy in the park who was teaching him to swim by chucking him in the pond. My poor baby kept getting chucked back in and back in. By some amazing coincidence, the guy was mugged for his dog by some lads off the estate 15 minutes later! 20 quid found it's way from my pocket to theirs, and wouldn't you know it, dog is now part of my family, being loved and cared for. It doesn't have to involve violence, but doing nothing isn't an option