to really and truly wish death on this person?

[HarderToKidnap]

If I had a magic wand I would wave it and wish the most awful death I could think of on the person that kicked to death my neighbours two year old Jack Russell yesterday. He ran off through the bushes, my neighbour followed and in the couple of miuntes the dog was out of sight he was kicked/bludgeoned to death. Police have been informed but are not hopeful.

Honestly, some people should just die.

I can't believe I got called an idiot for not wanting to stand there gormless while an animal gets beaten to death. If it was you lot you'd be the first to complain if you were attacked and nobody helped. Then it'd be "what is society coming to?" and hand wringing. Well guess what, I was beaten in public and no fucker helped. I'd still save an animal though because I'm a nice person

junglest, you are coming across as quite unhinged.

Not wishing death on people who are cruel to animals does not equal condoning cruelty.

And if you would risk your own life and risk leaving your children without a parent for the sake of a dog then you are an idiot.

No-one on this thread has said that it is ok to kick a dog to death (if this dog even was kicked to death which tbh I doubt given it seemed to happen in a matter of minutes and there were no witnesses).

Oh fgs. Can't you accept junglist that for some people there is a hierarchy of unacceptable things.

For example an adult man being mugged is utterly dreadful, however many of us would agree that however awful that is, the rape and murder of a child is worse.
So, whilst no one her has said in any way animal cruelty is ok, for some of us it's not the absolute worst thing in the world.

I am far more outraged by the cover up of paedophillia in the Catholic Church

I wouldn't be risking my life.
I'm unhinged because I've lost patience. People are saying it's OK to do sod all because it's an animal. Not in so many words of course, as usual. I can't believe any human would let that happen. But now I know they would.

But...but...why is everyone baying for blood here, when NOONE KNOWS wHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!

I've seen LOTS of cases of animal cruelty over the years (and been involved as a practice in one that was recently well publicised and which went, quite rightly, to court) but my experience of people who are deliberately cruel to animals or set out to torture them are very methodical- they don't generally come upon a random dog, whose owner is in close pursuit, and decide there and then to kick/ bludgeon it to death. Their very premedication is one of the reasons they are so dangerous, and so likely to go on to methodically abuse/ kill people.

I have 2 dogs, and love them to death. But while your dog is out of your sight/ out of your control you canot just draw wild conclusions about what may have happened.

I see LOTS of cats brought to me by owners who are positive that they must have been kicked by "that neighbour", when it's more likely they have been shunted by a car/ fallen from a height/ accidentally been clipped by a shed door. My own cat died in similar mysterious circumstances- even a post mortem left us no further forward, but I don't assume someone hurt him on purpose.

Likewise with hearing an animal scream- how would someone know that was a dog being battered to death? I live near woods and hear the horrible noise of small animals screeching all the time- can only assume they are soon to be dinner for the foxes.

Don't get me wrong- people who deliberately hurt animals deserve to be punished, and the police and the RSPCA/ SSPCA do work together nowadays, due to the strong link between animal torture and subsequent human cruelty/ murder. But people getting hysterical when the facts are not in place and demanding public burnings only serve to reinforce the image of animal rights activists as mad zealots. Look at the number of unsolved murders there are out there. Parents who don't know who or what happened to their children, perpetrators who have apparently got away with it. I DO love animals, but I also find it a bit sad that there is apparently stronger feeling about a dog who may or may not have been deliberately killed than another human being

Kicking a lowlife scumbag is not as bad as kicking an innocent dog.
I'm not frothing, I am actually sane.

good post jjj

That's the problem though isn't it. Animal cruelty is taken seriously only because someone might hurt a person. What about the rights of animals, who can't speak or defend themselves?

Junglist,I think a lot of people are very concerned about animal cruelty and animal welfare. Intensive farming results in animals being kept in incredibly inhumane conditions.
I take it you are a vegan

Junglist - I don't think you are unhinged & I'm not suprised you've lost patience.

Some people don't value an animals life 'they're just a cat/dog' .... and you wont change them

And of course because you do and would be prepared to defend 'an animal' you are an idiot

Screamingeagle: Hanging, shooting or other vigilante retribution is not an option because people who wish that on another living thing might as well be there kicking the dog with them.

What a lot of bullshit. The dog is defenceless - the person is making a choice.

Veggie but even if I wasn't eating meat can't be compared to the cruelty of beating dogs.
And I don't think lots of people are concerned with animal cruelty at all. It's shocking

Thank God ChippingIn my fingers are aching

junglist, I wouldn't say that animal cruelty is only taken seriously because someone might hurt a person. that is one reason to stamp on it harder than the law previously allowed, but many of us working on a daily basis with animals take their rights very seriously.

Unfortunately I would say that the vast majority of cruelty cases are not deliberate cruelty, but more to do with the ignorance of the owners who genuinely love their pets, but don't understand their animals' rights (the five freedoms) I'm talking the stress endured by the 25 cats in one house that an old lady has "saved", or the grossly overweight dog whose cruciate ligaments have snapped under the strain, or the reptile or exotic pet, bought without proper research on its environmental and feed requirements. Or even the much loved poodle who will only eat chicken breast, and who develops bone deformations as a result of poorly balanced diet.

There is cruelty and there is cruelty. Ignorant but loving pet owners are probably more numerous and easy to reach and edycate than psychotic individuals, so if you care about animals so vehemently get involved with the great work done by the RSPCA/SSPCA/ animal charities. Don't waste your energy on wanting to kick the life out of some asshole who may or may not have done anything- it would only take that one asshole out of the equation and end you up in jail. I do understand your anger, but you are not the only one who cares- some of us just deal with it differently. Doesn't mean we don't care about animal cruelty

I do donate to animal charities. I agree there's a difference between neglect, which you'd have time to call the RSPCA about, and abuse. What I'm saying is I wouldn't just stand there in an emergency, the priority would be saving the animal.

As you can see I have the temper for it.

OK - am going to play devils advocate - and havent read the whole thread mind.......

so.....just chucking one in here seeing as I work in the field however..... a large proportion of people convicted of murder and manslaughter start with a history of cruelty or extreme cruelty/death of animals......sorry, but it IS a statistic and those that would say the death of an innocent defenceless animal warranting the same for it's perpetrator is excessive - judging by the statistics....if said animal beater/torturer/killer then went on to murder or mutilate your child what would be your response?

Would you then think OP and junglist's responses were excessive????....

Genuinely curious....

I know they'd expect someone to help their child.

I'm off to bed but will carry on rowing in the morning if there's any name calling.

junglist is a big fat poo poo head!

Caught you out stinky

Actually SE it is Bullshit. Whatever action is taken on the 'asshole' (as you put it) is justice/rough justice - what the 'asshole' did to the dog is is not justice/rough justice - it is out and out cruelty, not in anyway justified.

I can of course see the link between a person hurting an animal and going on later to hurt a child however my reaction in this case(hypothetical as we dont know what happened) is never going to be the same as my reaction to a child being hurt.
I have 2 dogs, but I would not risk my life for either one of them. I recognise that they are not children and my own childrens well being and rights far outweigh those of my dogs.