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to really and truly wish death on this person?

206 replies

HarderToKidnap · 02/04/2010 17:29

If I had a magic wand I would wave it and wish the most awful death I could think of on the person that kicked to death my neighbours two year old Jack Russell yesterday. He ran off through the bushes, my neighbour followed and in the couple of miuntes the dog was out of sight he was kicked/bludgeoned to death. Police have been informed but are not hopeful.

Honestly, some people should just die.

OP posts:
Alouiseg · 02/04/2010 22:35

Don't kick dogs.

S'easy!

When was the last time you heard of someone mauled to death by a Jack Russell?

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:36

I hope it wasn't. But the dog in my area was battered to death. It haunts me. I wish I was there instead of useless witness woman. As a society we have to defend our animals. They can't do it for themselves, and the law is a big fat hairy ass in cases like this.

ShowOfHands · 02/04/2010 22:36

Somebody doesn't just wake up one day and think oh you know what, after I've posted that letter and had a ham sandwich, I'm going to kick a puppy to death.

To understand human rights, you need to understand human behaviour. Terrible and atrocious acts are not borne of a civilised and normal lifestyle and extinguishing human life does not recognise the complex reasons why certain behaviours occur or do anything to challenge them.

And causing physical pain to another or putting them to death as a form or punishment or retribution, does nothing to amend what caused the terrible acts you're so horrified by and does everything to confirm your own weaknesses and ignorance.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:38

Then I'll be weak and ignorant, rather than stand by and watch an animal being murdered. That's fine by me all day

rainbowinthesky · 02/04/2010 22:38

If some nutter is kicking a dog to death I think it's very sensible not to help. The kicker is hardly likely to step aside and apologise.

Alouiseg · 02/04/2010 22:39

I have zero interest in human rights because they are a charter for cretinous behavior.

The worst thing that happened to Britain was Human Rights.

..........and frankly Cherie Blair should shoulder a lot of blame.

RunawayWife · 02/04/2010 22:40

some people are vile.
poor neighborer

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:41

Have you seen me in action on here when I'm insulted? I'm not physically scared of anyone, used to thai box with men due to my own height and size so not bothered. Anyone not confident could at least call the police or scream for help. Doing zilch is not an option.

rainbowinthesky · 02/04/2010 22:41

Well, we are poles apart, Alouise then.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 02/04/2010 22:42

Ok

My problems with this thread are

  1. nobody knows how this dog died, whether it was hit by a cyclist, nipped a child and was kicked, or in fact if it was senselessly bludgeoned to death

  2. I think capital punishment or violence as retribution is wrong

  3. if the dog was brutally killed the perpetrator deserves to be punished accordingly, and although no one is saying otherwise, a few posters seem to think that if anyone thinks anything less than death by hanging will do, they are somehow animal haters

  4. not everyone has the courage to intervene in a violent situation, that does not make them a 'stupid bitch' or in any way as guilty as the attacker

ShowOfHands · 02/04/2010 22:43

Do you know that very, very few people intervene when something like that is happening? Even with humans. There are quite complex reasons why. Fear, belief that you're not qualified to help, hope that somebody else will take charge. There are several famous cases where people are being murdered and nobody intervenes. It's human nature. There is a tiny, tiny minority (usually those trained to do so) that actually step in to risk themselves in those sorts of situations. Even if you think yourself the sort to help, you probably aren't. We are not equipped to deal with the extraordinary due to its very nature.

And as has already been pointed out to you, just because you wouldn't beat up somebody or condemn them to death, doesn't mean you wouldn't support the just punishment of that person or act in other appropriate ways.

Alouiseg · 02/04/2010 22:44

rainbowinthesky

Good job too!

I do not defend the indefensible.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:44

Number 4 is wrong I've decided. It doesn't take courage to dial 999 or call for help. Poor dog with that twat passing by

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 02/04/2010 22:45

Junglist are you squaring up to that pc?

MorrisZapp · 02/04/2010 22:46

Can't be doing with the whole idea that the way to demonstrate how much you love animals or children is by how violently you would punish those that hurt them.

To me, that completely misses the point.

You aren't more compassionate and caring than somebody else because you really want to hurt/ torture/ kill child or animal abusers.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:47

I know about the bystander effect, it can explain why nobody in a crowd steps forward. But twat heard the dog scream and just strolled on. I just don't get it

ShowOfHands · 02/04/2010 22:47

You choose to thai box, you know the rules, you know your opponent, it is controlled. It is not a stranger capable of heinous acts. If you can't see the difference, then I understand your assertions a little more.

And I used to do martial arts. The very first thing that was ever drilled into us was that if you ever, ever, ever meet violence in rl you rlf and call the police. You don't fight an unknown quantity.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 02/04/2010 22:48

She should have called the police.
It wouldn't have saved the dog though, who was already being battered. It doesn't amount to aiding ang abetting.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:49

Heavens no, MoreCrack. I'm being ever so civilised dontcha know.
For now

MorrisZapp · 02/04/2010 22:51

Very good points crack. At least nobody has resorted to the nice cup of tea defence.

ie 'oh right so how would you punish this criminal scum, give him a nice cup of tea?'.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:52

OK look I'm not from a little village. I grew up in Tottenham. I'll fight if I have to, and have had to. We all come from different positions according to life experiences. Different interventions suit different people. Not caring because it's only an animal doesn't work with me.

neanderthaljunglist · 02/04/2010 22:55

I've just noticed we're all disagreeing without personal attacks! We are in AIBU, right??

Alouiseg · 02/04/2010 22:55

I hate violence but i will fight for the weak and the defenceless for every hour in the day because no other bugger will.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 02/04/2010 22:55

'Can't be doing with the whole idea that the way to demonstrate how much you love animals or children is by how violently you would punish those that hurt them'

Exactly Morris

You want to see a civilised society where people don't kill dogs, but you are happy with state sponsored killing and violence for animal cruelty. It doesn't make sense.

And rofl at 'human rights are the worst thing to happen to Britain?'
Really? Not the loss of thousands of lives in foreign confiicts, not the world wars, not Margeret Thatcher or fundamentalism?

Cherie Blair and Human Rights.
God I know she dressed badly but badly fitting suits and a Joker smile surely can't trump deaths on a massive scale

edam · 02/04/2010 22:56

People who are scared of dogs don't kick them to death. If the poor animal was kicked to death, the person responsible is an evil little shit who is a criminal and a danger to humans as well as animals. I hope the police find him and I hope he gets sent to prison for a very long time.