To Wonder what this woman is thinking??

[TheLadyEvenstar]

right before i go any further please read this bit first.
I do NOT have a problem with mix race relationships but i do think this WOMAN takes it to the limit.

she has

dd1 white english
ds1 white irish
dd2 white irish
dd3 white irish
dd4 half turkish
dd5 half indian
ds2 half indian
dd6 white english
ds3 half somalian

is now pg again has 5 grand children all of which are living in her home. she has never worked and always seems to find non working husbands/partners. They have 2 houses knocked into one, and its all paid for by council!

sorry just having a moan

How you could have avoided being called a racist:

I think this WOMAN takes it to the limit.

she has 9 children and is now pg again has 5 grand children all of which are living in her home. she has never worked and always seems to find non working husbands/partners. They have 2 houses knocked into one, and its all paid for by council!

sorry just having a moan

I would still think it was none of your goddamn business, but at least I wouldn't be thinking you were one of those insidious racists who likes to say, "Well I am not racist BUT".

Morloth, we are all entitled to our opinions I know I am not racist however nothing will change the mind of people who have already decided i am.

TheLadyEvenstar "already decided i am"

Based solely upon your words.

That's just it LES - you have stated your opinions not necessarily facts. That the "WOMAN takes it to the limit." is YOUR opinion. It is NOT a fact.

Equally, that you are not a racist is your opinion. It is not necessarily fact.

Isn't it odd when you see a poster you recognise, come out with this kind of bile.

LES you need to be clear on what you are comparing to allowing your child to have an accident. Is it the fact that they have the piss taken because they have lots of siblings from different dads? Or that the different dads are different ethnicities? You seem like you are comparing allowing your child to be mixed race with allowing your child to have an accident. If that's not what you mean, perhaps you should clarify. Because otherwise you sound...yes, racist.

So if anyone has a mixed race child and that child experiences racism (which they will, I am one, BTDT) is that person irresponsible for having that child? I don't see how you can possibly avoid this conclusion from your criticism of this women.

People jumping on TLES here without actually READING what she is putting!!

I know what you mean TLES.And I do not think you are racist.

What I think you are saying is that all these kids by different dads are actually being identified as the children of a woman who has had at least 6 blokes in and out of her kids lives in view of that fact that they all LOOK different. If the 10 kids to 6 dads were all white but went around with name badges or something on to show they all had different dads, the mother would still get called slag etc and it would still be a horrid thing for the kids to put up with.

All of you having a go at op answer this -

When you were a child at school, would you have been ok with your mother quite plainly having had 6 blokes in your life, and other people knowing this due to the fact that your siblings all look different? Do you think you would have been bullied?Would you have felt different from all your school mates? Do you think you may at some point have resented your mother for her life choices?

Oh dear God this thread has got even more depressing since I posted last night

TLE- my DD is mixed british, polish, indian and somalian. I'm a British , white muslim

DD will inshaallah be raised muslim and I have no doubt she will get more than a few racist comments in her lifetime. Do you seriously think me bringing her into this world and potentially exposing her to this abuse is tantramount to her having to go through life with no legs?! Perhaps I should bleach her skin ala MJ?

Lovesdogsandcats, I can read and have been reading all of TheLadyEvenstar's posts carefully and I do think she is a racist. Not the shouty kind but that isn't the only option.

And to answer the question in your last paragraph, yes I may well have felt resentment towards my mother, but that would have been because I was a child. Now as an adult I can see that all of the fault for any bullying belongs on the bullies. TLES is an adult and therefore should be able to see the same thing.

"she is not bothered who the man is as long as she has one iyswim? and as a result she has a multi racial family"

So having multiracial children is equivalet to "not being bothered" about who she sleeps with?

If she had slept with 100 men from only one ethic background, would that be proof of being more discerning in terms of the men she invites into her life?

You seem to infer that she has lowered herself not just by procreating with different men, but by procreating with men from a lot of different cultures. As if her self esteem is worse because she doesn't stick to any particular race.

Sorry I can't help but feel you are saying this woman has asked to be victimised by having children from different culural backgrounds. The world may be a horrible place, but to me it's the same as saying black/asian etc couples shouldn't have kids because they may face disadvantages/racism/obstacles when they grow up. What's the difference?

2kidz, no it is equivalent to her not caring who she is with and not using contraception.

She has lowered herself yes but not by sleeping with men from different cultures but by sleeping with so many different men full stop.

the state has a responsibility to ensure it's citizens are fed and educated and for some families that is done via benefit payments

it is in fact right that a liberal society tries to ensure nutrition and education and health for all(whether it is done so adequately well that is another debate)

this is regardless of there parentage of ethnic origin.or number of fathers etc.so dont quite grasp why TLES mentioned it.

now lets see TLES do you advocate overcrowding for the family.Hell mend them and squeeze em in a small house?Again the state has to provide adequate housing and by knocking 2 houses together council has done so.

should we pillorie all large families or just those with mixed ethnicity?

hey maybe meander over to larger families threads on MN give them a pasting too.

what a fucking mental OP

TheLadyEvenstar can you not, reading back over all of your posts in this thread see why people believe you are a racist?

Morloth, I can see why people would yes, but I can also see that if people look past the fact that I have mentioned the races of the children then the situation would still be the same if they were all white. This woman whether she has 10 white or 10 mixed race children is still not caring enough for her children to see that bringing man after man into their lives is not a good thing.

So can you honestly honestly tell me why you felt the need to mention race if you don't believe that part of your problem with this woman is the race of her partners?

Lovesdogsandcats: "People jumping on TLES here without actually READING what she is putting!!"

I have read every single post of hers. I understand them, I just don't agree with them - there is a big difference.

"All of you having a go at op answer this -

When you were a child at school, would you have been ok with your mother quite plainly having had 6 blokes in your life"

My mother had 6 children by 3 husbands. All of us were OK with it.

"and other people knowing this due to the fact that your siblings all look different?"

I was short, thin and slightly dark with brown hair and green eyes - quite the opposite of my sister who is tall, large and fair with blonde hair and blue eyes. Both of us were OK with it.

"Do you think you would have been bullied?"

We weren't.

"Would you have felt different from all your school mates?"

We didn't.

Do you think you may at some point have resented your mother for her life choices?"

We didn't.

"You know it is sad when you cannot express your feelings on a woman/mans behaviour without being branded a racist."

It's even sadder you can't just express your feelings without BEING a racist.

"I have nothing to be ashamed of, you see it as racist i don't."

Such wilful ignorance is actually a source of great shame, one you're also obviously too ignorant to understand.

"if i were to come on here and say I have 3 cousins who are half indian (which i do) 1 who is half russian (i do) 3 half chec (again I do) would this be racist????

If i had come on here and said "I f*cking hate black, indian, albanian, muslim, chinese, irish, scottish, polish, turkish people" (or any race for that matter)"

You did NOT just state the facts of their races - you showed you think there is a limit to the amount of different mixed race children one should have, pitied them on this basis and stated that a certain race is predisposed to child snatching. It is not quite as malicious as your example, or direct, but it IS still racism.

"I can see why people would yes, but I can also see that if people look past the fact that I have mentioned the races of the children"

I refuse to ignore racism, will challenge it in any situation and am by no means the only one who will.

"no it is equivalent to her not caring who she is with and not using contraception."

But you said: "she is not bothered who the man is as long as she has one iyswim? and as a result she has a multi racial family"

By unecessarily mentioning the multi racial aspect of her family you indicate that the two circumstances (that of not caring who she sleeps with and the variation of her family culture) are linked and naturally follow, which they do not. Why alude to the race aspect at all?

"She has lowered herself yes but not by sleeping with men from different cultures but by sleeping with so many different men full stop."

Pleeeaase. What business is her sex life of yours? If a woman has loads of sexual partners but has no children and then meets Mr Right, gets married and has 2.4 children, is she more respectable than the woman who has 10 children, but never meets Mr Right gets married, etc?

And yes I live very near to Peckham and let me tell you there are lots of kids on my street who cause so much trouble two police officers have had to be assigned to patrol duty in our area. Further down the road is a single mum with 5 children from 3 different dads with differennt nationalities. Her two eldest don't pass me in the street without saying hello. The eldest daughter is doing very well at school. They are never out roaming the street, and they help their mum with the shopping etc. A lot of the kids causing trouble have 2 parents at home. Who are you to judge anyone? Just because in this case you may know how many Men she's slept with? What about all the other people who don't have evidence to show they've slept with more than a couple of men?

FLAMINGHELL "the majority of you would have imagined a line of white children."

we are not all white. so no, i doubt the majority of us would have imagined a line of white children.
i do of course speak for myself and noone else.

Can't imagine why it would matter if other posters all imagined a line of white children in any case.

BOOYHOO, I am not white!

Read what I said,that due to the nature of the debate, ie a web forum people are generally more likely to be more graphic in detailing a situation hence the description.

I can only assume that the majority of users are white (as I am sure given the population is more white than any other race, therefor this would be the common denominator, and therefore with out the description they would ultimately think of their own race (as this is their norm), hence, white children, this is not racist I am not saying people who think of their own race are racist I am saying it is more than likely that people would imagine, a situation that is familiar to them.

flaming i did not say you were racist. i dont think you are.