AIBU to think that women do as much to perpetuate misogyny as do men?

[JulietteRoche]

What the title says. I am also sure that I'm as guilty as this as the next woman. But I find a lot of the time that women can be very critical and judgemental of other women. A recent, concrete example was a situation with someone I follow on Instagram. A young disabled woman who had felt threatened by a man who pretended to be helpful but was actually predatory. The comments were awful, and about 60% of them were from women. Saying that he 'meant well' and that she needed to get over herself and that she should be grateful that someone wanted to help. I find this attitude shocking, and I also feel that any discussion of misogyny should also include misogyny from women.

Interesting question. I have found that the best way to counter any kind of misogyny has been to stay in full time work and do well in my career.

Once men know I sat on the executive committee of my last company I have noticed they speak to me much more as an equal. It really seems to change their attitudes. Obviously it’s not something it’s always appropriate to mention though!

I am also very good at calmly and politely calling out any misogyny because I won’t have it.

Then why do a lot of pro lifers also support the death penalty?

None as blind as those who do not want to see.

No they're not misogynists because they're driving factor isn't hatred for women. Their driving factor is stupidity.

Because it's usually reserved for murderers I assume.

Either murder is wrong or it isn’t.

Women who have different views from you about abortion are not misogynists. Some women believe that true justice and equality cannot be built on an act that ends the life of another developing human being.

Oh good lord. I thought you were done banging on about this?

In the US there's a considerable overlap between the 'pro-life' brigade and the surrendered wives movement where the men make all the decisions and have all the power.

People who grow up knowing their mothers didn't want them should be consoled about it and helped. There are people who go NC with abusive parents. Many people on MN have unfortunately have abusive parents I think we should support them and help them, not kill them.

Yep, just proved your own point. This is just an excuse to, once again, attack a vulnerable group in our society. You’re not clever.

What 'vulnerable group'. If you're talking about trans 'women' you're wrong.

This is grossly untrue. Look at Glasgow City Council as one teeny example. Having to essentially sack an entire workforce to renegotiate contracts to try to close the gender pay gap as men have been paid more for exactly the same roles and they don’t have the money to pay women the same rates. Now. Not a decade ago. Not a generation ago. Right now 🙄

Edited to point out that I’m not arguing the legality of women being paid less, I’m saying it STILL BLOODY HAPPENS.

Because they differentiate between an undeserved death and a deserved one. The foetus did nothing wrong and didn’t get a trial.

Weird responses. Yes, in my work experience over the last two decades and most recently with DEI, its 90% women with token men (majority gay).See "be kind"

You don’t. You think a foetus has the right to make use of someone else’s body when that person doesn’t want that. We don’t let anyone else do that.

We don’t force someone to give someone else a kidney, no matter how badly the recipient needs it. Even a dead person’s right to opt out of organ donation is respected. If you think abortion should be illegal, you think a pregnant woman has fewer rights than a corpse. Think about that.

ROFL perhaps you could share some of those tissues you use for all your tears ;)

I'd like to think you're taking the piss with your posts here. At least, I hope you are.

Which is hypocritical and fucked up. Even more fucked up when the mother is the one who dies because she had no access to safe abortion.

There’s nothing pro life about the movement. It’s all about forced birth.

Sometimes, women enforce traditional norms onto other women as a form of self-preservation or social currency. By distancing themselves from women who break traditional moulds (or by criticising them), they signal that they are "safe" or "good" according to society's rules. 8 believe this is called internalised misogyny 🤔

Mothers living in states that banned abortion nearly 2x as likely to die during pregnancy, childbirth, or soon after giving birth, compared to mothers living in supportive states where abortion was legal and accessible
Women’s risk of maternal death in Texas was 155% higher than in California

Pro life you say?

Tell that to Tierra Walker, Amber Nicole Thurman,Josseli Barnica, CG Graham and all the other poor women who died needlessly.

It's no good trying to reason with these brainwashed loons.

This is it in a nutshell really. The firm belief that if you are a “good” woman , the “right kind” of woman (all decided by men , of course) then you will be in good standing, good social capital and you will be “safe”. Any woman(or girl) who has something bad happen to her , must be somehow at fault. Absolutely deluded horseshit, but on and on it goes.

Sorry, I’ll bow out. Ironically, I’m only alive because abortion was illegal and yet , a woman’s right to choose is something I’ll always fight for and support.

Oh, don't be sorry. I agree with you 100% but you will get the maudlin posters coming along to try to guilt trip everyone.

Why does everyone get so shouty on Mumsnet? This started as an interesting discussion but as so often happens the name calling starts - why can’t we just agree to disagree sometimes?
Some people seem to enjoy a good harangue!