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To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?

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Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:36

I’ve seen so many parties popping up around my county that are using AI slop to advertise their “Day of the Death” parties when a) nobody who’s Mexican has been consulted b) the food has nothing to do with Mexican food c) it’s a solemn family occasion - not a fiesta! And no, we don’t do face painting.

Every single time I see one, my eye twitches! I’m sure if a random persons (that had nothing to do with Hinduism) decided to throw a “Diwali party” people wouldn’t stay quiet.

Sorry it’s been one of those days and needed a rant!

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ChristmasGreyhound · Yesterday 22:23

honeybeetheoneandonly · Yesterday 20:35

Can I despise dolmio when I'm not Italian?

No, that would be cultural appropriation. Only Italians are allowed to hate English versions of Italian food created by an American company in Australia before being sold in Britain.

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 22:23

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Yesterday 22:00

This is interesting.

"Mexican academics are divided on whether the festivity has genuine indigenous pre-Hispanic roots or whether it is a 20th-century rebranded version of a Spanish tradition developed during the presidency of Lazaro Cardenas to encourage Mexican nationalism through an "Aztec" identity"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead

I mean I beg to differ as I have photos (or daguerreotypes) of pre XX century of our family offering… Also my mother is a history academic and have never heard of that theory in all honesty.

Yes, there’s has been an indigenista movement (like stopping celebrating Columbus day) but that’s a different matter.

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TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:23

Celtic1hair · Yesterday 22:17

Because in Mexico the celebration is based around remembering their dead loved ones, it's honouring them. Just using the day as a piss up with no regards to the sentiment just seems to trivialise it. I agree cultural appropriation isn't the right term (of it ever is) but I think the above poster did make a valid comparison.

And there is no reason why people outside of Mexico cannot respectfully do the same.

The comparison with ‘Remembrance raves’ doesn’t make any sense as that isn’t a tradition in the UK or anywhere else. If people outside of the UK want to mark Remembrance day by attending a church service (as people in the UK actually do), then there would be no issue.

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 22:24

Sleepdeprivedandsquishy · Yesterday 22:21

Please tell me this and actual society and how I can join!

There literally is one! Google it and you’ll find it.

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TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:25

RafaFan · Yesterday 22:23

Just like all the St Patrick's Day (St Patty's Day 🤢) nonsense that we have in Canada. I have tried saying that for Catholics it's quite a solemn day but nobody cares.

Speaking as an Irish catholic, I would not describe it as a solemn day in any way shape or form.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · Yesterday 22:30

Sherararara · Yesterday 19:54

Get a grip. White saviour virtue signalling. I’ve just asked Mexico - they confirm they couldn’t give a fuck.

🤣🙌

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 22:30

rolloverbeethoven · Yesterday 22:05

My jaw actually dropped when you objected to the "cultural appropriation" and then called the rest of us gringos OP 😂. How about we all just celebrate everything and stop being so bloody precious?

Are you American? Because if you aren’t you’re not a gringa.

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Dollymylove · Yesterday 22:32

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:25

Speaking as an Irish catholic, I would not describe it as a solemn day in any way shape or form.

Aye your not wrong there. If there's anything the Irish love, its a good party 🥳 🎉!!

Sashimiandhisthunderpaws · Yesterday 22:32

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:09

Except that ‘remembrance raves’ are not something that anyone does in the uk, so how would that be comparable?

Are you being dense deliberately?!

Imagine you’re part of the British diaspora living in Sharm, and you still observe the 2 minutes silence and wear a poppy. Local Egyptians decide to run remembrance raves to make money and there’s no act of remembrance whatsoever. I’m using Egypt as Remembrance Sunday isn’t observed there.

EmptyCan · Yesterday 22:32

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:25

Speaking as an Irish catholic, I would not describe it as a solemn day in any way shape or form.

Unless you count the blue-legged majorettes that looked like they were about to die of hypothermia in the parades of my childhood.😃

Shinyhappyapple · Yesterday 22:32

sweetpickle2 · Yesterday 19:50

Clearly that’s what OP meant, stop being so pedantic.

YANBU OP, and it’s not comparable to a Diwali celebration mentioned by PP at all- nobody is dressing up in anyone culture as though it’s a costume in the example provided.

Nah. Normally I hate people picking up on other posters’ SPAG but if she’s going to complain about something - at least (1) spell it right and (2) get the translation right.

CleverlyBeery · Yesterday 22:33

sweetpickle2 · Yesterday 19:50

Clearly that’s what OP meant, stop being so pedantic.

YANBU OP, and it’s not comparable to a Diwali celebration mentioned by PP at all- nobody is dressing up in anyone culture as though it’s a costume in the example provided.

I always find it rude to assume someone made a mistake, so it's more polite to ask and clarify.

I don't know what OP had seen and because she referred to AI slop I wondered if it was part of the poor quality / incorrectness she was complaining about.

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Yesterday 22:33

Sashimiandhisthunderpaws · Yesterday 22:32

Are you being dense deliberately?!

Imagine you’re part of the British diaspora living in Sharm, and you still observe the 2 minutes silence and wear a poppy. Local Egyptians decide to run remembrance raves to make money and there’s no act of remembrance whatsoever. I’m using Egypt as Remembrance Sunday isn’t observed there.

Although half a million Egyptians did die in the first world war so it would be pretty disrespectful to their own people too.

JMSA · Yesterday 22:34

I am in Mexico as we speak. Today at our hotel, the photography staff were trying to encourage tourists to pose for them with sombrero hats and taco costumes.

I think they’re good 😁

Sickoffamilydrama · Yesterday 22:35

I'm sorry you find it offensive OP I don't think it is but also could it be that culturally Mexico is much more pious and reverent to religious based festivals then we are.

I do notice a difference between predominantly Catholic countries and us.

You have to remember we also love a good party part of the reason we brought back a monarch after chopping off the head of ours was because everyone got fed up with the puritans who hated any kind of fun.

Before someone moans at me I know it's not that simple (about the civil war and this ) but there is something in us that loves a knees up.

timerz · Yesterday 22:37

YANBU OP. I get what you're saying and you're not wrong.

And why should you have to explain or give a shit about Christmas or St Patrick's! People here are being stupid.

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:40

Sashimiandhisthunderpaws · Yesterday 22:32

Are you being dense deliberately?!

Imagine you’re part of the British diaspora living in Sharm, and you still observe the 2 minutes silence and wear a poppy. Local Egyptians decide to run remembrance raves to make money and there’s no act of remembrance whatsoever. I’m using Egypt as Remembrance Sunday isn’t observed there.

Literally no one has ever had a ‘remembrance rave’ that I am aware of, so what culture is this supposed to be appropriating exactly?

JHound · Yesterday 22:41

You mean “dia”?

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:41

EmptyCan · Yesterday 22:32

Unless you count the blue-legged majorettes that looked like they were about to die of hypothermia in the parades of my childhood.😃

One year it was about 5 degrees, no exaggeration and the Brazilian dancers in the Dublin parade were in bikini tops and rara skirts and I honestly wonder if any of them got hypothermia 🥶

QueenMummyTheFirst · Yesterday 22:42

Wow, I'm really not understanding all the hate you're getting on here OP. I agree with you - religious and/ or culturally significant festivals should not be used by people with no connection to the culture of origin to make a quick £££.

And some of the comparisons people are making to discredit/ attenpt to mock you are just making those people look pretty stupid.

Biscuitsforbreakfastt · Yesterday 22:43

ShattonerfDaParp · Yesterday 19:59

Just wait 'til you discover what goes on at Christmas.

👏👏👏

EmptyCan · Yesterday 22:46

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:41

One year it was about 5 degrees, no exaggeration and the Brazilian dancers in the Dublin parade were in bikini tops and rara skirts and I honestly wonder if any of them got hypothermia 🥶

Those guys are hardcore.

The gloomiest aspect of St Patrick’s Day was ‘Hail, Glorious Saint Patrick’, which must be the most dirge-like hymn ever.

mathanxiety · Yesterday 22:48

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:07

It’s seen as a “gringo” thing.

Not in Chicago it isn't. I presume all over the US too, in Hispanic communities (including Mexican), where kids and adults alike participate in Hallowe'en with gleeful.abandon.

And 'Dia de Los Muertos' (as it is named) themed decor and celebrations are everywhere, including in commercial venues.

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 22:49

mathanxiety · Yesterday 22:48

Not in Chicago it isn't. I presume all over the US too, in Hispanic communities (including Mexican), where kids and adults alike participate in Hallowe'en with gleeful.abandon.

And 'Dia de Los Muertos' (as it is named) themed decor and celebrations are everywhere, including in commercial venues.

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Chicago is in the US? So that makes sense.

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LiuBei · Yesterday 22:51

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:46

Yes, but not for profit, and not as an excuse to party! There’s no educational content around it

Who is being hurt? I've lived in Latin America (not Mexico), and I saw this brand all over the place. Is England renowned for tartan kilts? No. But hey, it's nice that other countries have a high enough opinion of the UK to use British iconography like this - even if they're getting the details a bit wrong. I have never felt the need to go up to people enjoying toffee and complain that they weren't consuming any educational content along with their sweets.

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