To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?

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I’ve seen so many parties popping up around my county that are using AI slop to advertise their “Day of the Death” parties when a) nobody who’s Mexican has been consulted b) the food has nothing to do with Mexican food c) it’s a solemn family occasion - not a fiesta! And no, we don’t do face painting.

Every single time I see one, my eye twitches! I’m sure if a random persons (that had nothing to do with Hinduism) decided to throw a “Diwali party” people wouldn’t stay quiet.

Sorry it’s been one of those days and needed a rant!

Yes Mexican born and raised. Things ironically changed after Spectre came out.

Halloween is the party thing, (and frowned upon by some).

Day of the Dead (which is how most parties/children's fairs etc seem to put it) is relatively new in Britain though, isn't it? As in, when I was a kid, I don't remember the soft plays/fairs/pubs etc having it. Happy to be corrected, but it definitely wasn't in any city I lived in here.
Halloween/Christmas etc are celebrated by most people regardless of religion though.

I’m guessing not.

She’ll be too busy taking offence on behalf of me and my family.

the thing ism what goes in at Christmas, in the UK anyway, is perpetrated by people from a nominally Christian culture, therefore it's theirs to exploit, there's no appropriation

Halloween wasn’t much of a thing either when I was a kid, I think it’s become bigger here due to how big it is in America.

It was 30 years ago I was there. Interesting that bit is frowned upon by some.

I actually never have, but I don’t honk it’s necessarily the same. Some of these elements that people use to decorate, are symbols that were passed for generations for hundreds of years, and some of these beliefs (like souls coming from Mictlan) have been around for thousands of years.

It’s seen as a “gringo” thing.

I've never actually been present at anything for St Patricks Day
Are there any Irish people here who can explain how much St Patrick features?
Because from the outside it seems to be about a stereotyped version of Irishness.

Give over, have you never made a typo or fallen victim to autocorrect?

How about calling it cultural appreciation instead. My friend owns a restaurant.. he doesn't give food and drink away. He profits from it. 😃

Best thing I’ve read on the internet today.

If you object to the use of the Mexican title for the Day of the Dead are you, for consistency, objecting to English and American use of the Scottish-originated term Halloween? Are you objecting to the British importation of USA customs relating to Halloween?

At route, the Mexican Day of the Dead is pretty much the same as what in the UK is called All Souls Day, isn't it ("All souls of the dear departed"), which is the second of the two days that Halloween (All Hallows Eve) is the preliminary to?

In other words, the same Christian (or Christianised formerly pagan) event is being celebrated in all these different countries, and each country is influenced in its celebrations by the customs of the others. I'm sure that the Mexicans have absorbed a few monetised traditions from the US, for example.

There might be something in your sensitivity if Mexican people were a racialised minority in the UK- we'd probably have to be more thoughtful then. But they aren't.

And as for the 'no context' thing - no religion, no education - if that is an objection in relation to the use of Mexican customs, why isn't it an objection in relation to ALL our Halloween celebrations- which have severed ties with any meaningful religious content and are just a denatured pretext for buying tat and sugar from Tesco

I went to a St David's Day celebration. I was served no laverbread whatsoever and nobody spoke Welsh. I was charged for the tea and biscuits. Disgusting for a school to profit like that.

🙄 Get a grip, OP.

I don't have a problem with anything that means drinking more Tequila... although it can be quite expensive in some places. More should do the 10 for 1 shots. Although I did feel like death warmed up the next day (some said I looked it too) but that never stopped me.

¡Arriba, abajo, izquierda, derecha, al centro, y pa' dentro!

Why would she be offended on your behalf? Are you friends?

Try being irish between st Patrick's day and and samhain 🙄

I think things like wearing someone’s traditional dress as a costume or a white person doing blackface is cultural appropriation. I can’t get worked up about other cultures celebrating days of historical significance such at St.Patrick’s Day or Dia de muertos. it’s inclusive to do that and show support for the community of that country living in the locality.

¡La apropiación cultural no es para tanto! ¡Ya relájate!

Respectfully many of the traditions have remained the same, and yes the day as we know is the fruit of religious syncretism but the indigenous content is undeniable.

Marigolds (Cenpasutichtl) has a a whole mythology behind it that comes from well prior to the conquest.

The division of two days (one for children and one for adults) comes from the Mexicans, same as the offering and the altar. Many aspects remained intact, just they got moved around so suit the Catholic calendar.

I saw some British lads on the tube last October wearing lederhosen, on their way to some Oktoberfest party. I have German blood, I was NOT offended.

Shit, what happens at Christmas?

classic

mate , you're being a twit

I'm going to stick my head above the parapet to say I think you have a point. It's a spiritual festival in Mexico and a time for remembrance and grief (admittedly with some partying and celebration mixed in) so theming a pub fancy dress party around it does seem a bit tasteless.