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To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?

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Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:36

I’ve seen so many parties popping up around my county that are using AI slop to advertise their “Day of the Death” parties when a) nobody who’s Mexican has been consulted b) the food has nothing to do with Mexican food c) it’s a solemn family occasion - not a fiesta! And no, we don’t do face painting.

Every single time I see one, my eye twitches! I’m sure if a random persons (that had nothing to do with Hinduism) decided to throw a “Diwali party” people wouldn’t stay quiet.

Sorry it’s been one of those days and needed a rant!

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SaulHudsonDavidJones · Yesterday 21:28

Maybe get offended at things with bad intentions, not those with good intentions behind them? The world would be a happier, kinder place.

changing47 · Yesterday 21:28

HouseBee · Yesterday 21:22

And yet your English/British visitors are likely strongly criticising the so called English breakfast because it’s nothing like an English breakfast.
Just like the OP is criticising those ‘parties’ as nothing like her experience of that celebration.

So yes, think the OP is over the top as you want.
But I hope you’re going to have the same attitude when it’s about english ‘culture’.

When I lived in Peru I thought it was mildly humorous when I saw things like guacamole on a full English, or visited an English pub where you couldn’t pay at the bar and the pub quiz was played by a show of hands. I heard no other English people criticising these things but then I only met three the whole time I was there.

Where did you live in South America where the English and British were complaining about English breakfasts? I found it extremely rare to come across one and I lived in a large capital city.

Nemorth · Yesterday 21:29

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 20:10

If you object to the use of the Mexican title for the Day of the Dead are you, for consistency, objecting to English and American use of the Scottish-originated term Halloween? Are you objecting to the British importation of USA customs relating to Halloween?

At route, the Mexican Day of the Dead is pretty much the same as what in the UK is called All Souls Day, isn't it ("All souls of the dear departed"), which is the second of the two days that Halloween (All Hallows Eve) is the preliminary to?

In other words, the same Christian (or Christianised formerly pagan) event is being celebrated in all these different countries, and each country is influenced in its celebrations by the customs of the others. I'm sure that the Mexicans have absorbed a few monetised traditions from the US, for example.

There might be something in your sensitivity if Mexican people were a racialised minority in the UK- we'd probably have to be more thoughtful then. But they aren't.

And as for the 'no context' thing - no religion, no education - if that is an objection in relation to the use of Mexican customs, why isn't it an objection in relation to ALL our Halloween celebrations- which have severed ties with any meaningful religious content and are just a denatured pretext for buying tat and sugar from Tesco

I’ve found that many MN don’t remember that Hallowe’en is Scottish export!

also have you heard of Samhain - the thinning of the veil. Celebrated sunset 31 Oct to 1 November.

This was being celebrated many centuries ago.

PumpkinSpicePie · Yesterday 21:30

Mexicans have appropriated Cornish Pasties 😉

To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?
zanahoria · Yesterday 21:31

The dead want their day back

They are sick of being appropriated by the living

Dollymylove · Yesterday 21:32

PumpkinSpicePie · Yesterday 21:30

Mexicans have appropriated Cornish Pasties 😉

How very dare they!!!!

Strawberrryfields · Yesterday 21:32

Gwenna · Yesterday 21:04

Ireland has been continuously inhabited for 10,000 years. Granted St Patrick’s Day may only date back one or two of them but we have a Celtic culture in these islands that goes back a long way 😉 ☘️

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I think this is what OP is getting at though? The rich cultural history of Dia del muertes is much more than someone wearing skull face paint and a flower headband down the pub. In the same way the rich cultural history of Ireland is much more than a green T-shirt and Guinness hat. I can see how the oversimplification and commercialisation of it could feel jarring.

Every single year people talk about the ‘true meaning of Christmas’ and how it’s become too focused on consumption - flashy gifts, perfect homes etc. and in all this it can be easy to feel that Christmas has lost what’s it’s really about. I read OPs post in the same vein as this.

Nemorth · Yesterday 21:33

I’m offended OP called Hallowe’en the party event. It has so much meaning to pagans and Scots. 😜

EarringsandLipstick · Yesterday 21:34

Odditea · Yesterday 21:23

I’m not easily offended and I loathe cancel culture but I think people are being a bit awful to the OP here.

OK you don’t have to agree with the OP, and you might not get offended about others celebrating aspects of your own culture, but if you’re not from the culture in question who are you to say to a person who is from that culture (like the OP) how they should feel about it?

Agree fully.

Nemorth · Yesterday 21:34

Graunaile2017 · Yesterday 20:47

Well, Halloweeen is cultural appropriation too in that case. It's roots are Celtic New Year, Samhain. Irish and Scottish best not dress up or have a party, or go trick or treating either.. Can't we just enjoy ourselves dwithout all this cultural appropriation crap.

It’s not trick or treating.

It’s guising. Scots go guising.

FashionVixen · Yesterday 21:36

This comes up every so often. Can someone remind me who I need to speak to if I want to splash a bit of Worcestershire sauce on a cheese toastie? I have no connection at all to Worcestershire and don't want to offend anyone by appropriating this excellent condiment. Do I need to get permission every time I'm hankering after a tangy cheesy sarnie or can someone give me blanket absolution?

In case it's helpful to anyone, I hereby give permission to non-Irish folks to drink Guinness and to nod along to the main instrumental from Riverdance. Also to celebrate St Patrick's Day. This is a joke, obviously. Just like the concept of cultural appropriation.

Get a life, OP.

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 21:36

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:57

It’s an intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity according to UNESCO and I mean Day of the Death has been going on for thousands of years one way or the other.

Are you a Mexican here in UK or somewhere else in Europe?

tartyflette · Yesterday 21:36

slughater · Yesterday 20:08

I've never actually been present at anything for St Patricks Day
Are there any Irish people here who can explain how much St Patrick features?
Because from the outside it seems to be about a stereotyped version of Irishness.

My DH is London Irish, born of Irish immigrant parents, and raised in a very Irish part of north London, totally within the Irish community, and went to Catholic schools which were about 90 percent Irish.
You can’t tell him he is anything other than Irish. His heritage is very important to him, his older brother and our DS (who considers his Irish background rather more important than his admittedly scrappy English one.)
DH would spend the entire summer holidays from school back with the family in Ireland every year and is still close to his cousins there.
Paddy’s day was very important for celebrating Irishness, and feeling part of that community when he lived in north London but is sadly less so to him these days since we moved away. However both he and DS are heartily and genuinely welcomed back into the fold whenever they visit the old country.
St Patrick’s day epitomises all of that to them, not so much religion any longer but Ireland and a real Irish sense of community.

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:37

Dollymylove · Yesterday 21:32

How very dare they!!!!

Actually nope! It was a cultural exchange and we have the Mexican-Cornish society!

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SavageGarden23 · Yesterday 21:38

In my house we do celebrate Eid, Christmas, Durga Puja, Christmas, Vaisakhi, Halloween, chinese new year, even gave offering to Hestia last year as I felt like it. Going to a Diwali party at my manager's house,then going to London in a Diwali bollywood Disco, then next week I am attending Durga Puja festival and doing Garva dancing for Navratri. Also invited people for a Christmas party where I will serve bengali finger foods alongwith all our favourite beige party selection. There is so fucking little joy in our life that I have decided to celebrate everything. Unclench a little bit everyone.

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:39

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 21:36

Are you a Mexican here in UK or somewhere else in Europe?

I’m a Mexican living in the UK in a county with like 20 of us! And most of us (we have a chat group) feel it’s cultural appropriation.

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MathiasBroucek · Yesterday 21:39

Yawn

FashionVixen · Yesterday 21:40

Soontobe60 · Yesterday 20:02

Wait until you see what we do at Christmas!!

My family exchanges gifts and get this - we are not a bit religious. The Three Wise Men must be turning in their graves when we give thoughtful gifts to our loved ones.

Deboragh · Yesterday 21:40

LapinR0se · Yesterday 19:52

Hello from an Irish person. St Patrick’s Day anyone? Glad another country’s getting a look in!

I know right, it's like watching usasians dressing up as superman or hamburgers and claiming its got something to do with Halloween.. cringy as f.

Emeraldforest · Yesterday 21:42

As an English person I suppose I've only been exposed to the 'fun' part of it. All Souls isn't celebrated all that much here( I have done,it's a solumn time)
I can see that we may be seen as being insensitive. I don't think it's done meaning any disrespect .

FashionVixen · Yesterday 21:43

SavageGarden23 · Yesterday 21:38

In my house we do celebrate Eid, Christmas, Durga Puja, Christmas, Vaisakhi, Halloween, chinese new year, even gave offering to Hestia last year as I felt like it. Going to a Diwali party at my manager's house,then going to London in a Diwali bollywood Disco, then next week I am attending Durga Puja festival and doing Garva dancing for Navratri. Also invited people for a Christmas party where I will serve bengali finger foods alongwith all our favourite beige party selection. There is so fucking little joy in our life that I have decided to celebrate everything. Unclench a little bit everyone.

My permission above is extended to your an yours to enjoy St Patrick's Day too if you feel like adding another day of celebration ☘

ThisSharpLurker · Yesterday 21:46

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:39

I’m a Mexican living in the UK in a county with like 20 of us! And most of us (we have a chat group) feel it’s cultural appropriation.

How can you say it’s any different from the celebrations you see all over the world for St Patrick’s Day?

Dollymylove · Yesterday 21:47

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:39

I’m a Mexican living in the UK in a county with like 20 of us! And most of us (we have a chat group) feel it’s cultural appropriation.

Do you patrol the town checking that nobody who isnt Mexican is not having a chilli con carne for tea?
Bit cheeky really coming to live in someone's else's country and complaining about how they live their lives, dont you think?

SabrinaBricklayer · Yesterday 21:48

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:39

I’m a Mexican living in the UK in a county with like 20 of us! And most of us (we have a chat group) feel it’s cultural appropriation.

Do these organisers know what the day actually signifies or are they treating it like a piss up?

Deboragh · Yesterday 21:49

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 21:39

I’m a Mexican living in the UK in a county with like 20 of us! And most of us (we have a chat group) feel it’s cultural appropriation.

The concept of cultural appropriation is a pathetic seppos idea. Well you've been americanised then haven't you, please , don't bring that backward mentality here. We like to celebrate other cultures. If you don't like it feel free to just ignore it. Or how about joining in, you never know, you might have fun.

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