To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?

[Stayinganontoday]

I’ve seen so many parties popping up around my county that are using AI slop to advertise their “Day of the Death” parties when a) nobody who’s Mexican has been consulted b) the food has nothing to do with Mexican food c) it’s a solemn family occasion - not a fiesta! And no, we don’t do face painting.

Every single time I see one, my eye twitches! I’m sure if a random persons (that had nothing to do with Hinduism) decided to throw a “Diwali party” people wouldn’t stay quiet.

Sorry it’s been one of those days and needed a rant!

Halloween is absolutely not a party thing, it is an ancient deeply held belief where the veil of our ancestors becomes thin and they can travel amongst the living.

It is a very powerful time of year, where we celebrate our ancestors, protect our houses and livestock and let the things which no longer serve us go.

Hitler would turn in his grave ....
https://www.oktoberfestparty.co.uk/

When I was a kid we used to go to the local pub fo Bon Fire night. They made money from it. America has 'English Pubs' they make money from that?

Agreed. People call it St Patty’s which no Irish person ever would and I’m just glad we spread joy (for profit 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤯🤯) and hangovers across the world.

Get over yourself @Stayinganontoday

How do you feel about old el paso fajita kits being widely available OP?

They’re disgusting and have nothing to do with my cuisine. Same way as my Italian friends despise Dolmio.

God yes, all those Jews, Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims putting up Christmas trees just to join in the seasonal fun at such a sacred time. It's outrageous. So disrespectful. I'm so affronted and offended that they are appropriating my European Christian culture. It's the same with Easter Egg hunts and the like. They might seem like fun, seasonal activities open to all, but they have their roots in deeply spiritual festivals linked to Christianity and other religions like paganism. Who do I complain to and how can I force them to stop?

But what do they do on Dolmio Day?

I used to live in South America. My American offend was deeply offended by being called a gringo.

I don’t understand what harm it’s doing. Halloween is celebrated in the US and it’s not an insult to the Scottish. Boxing Day is celebrated by other countries and no one in the UK is offended. Why does it matter?

I think the Irish do lose their shit all around the world on St Patrick's Day? They seem to welcome the opportunity to make everyone honorary Irish for the day.

Absolutely. I’m a foreigner and culturally Catholic, and some of my nicest memories of my early years in the UK are celebrating Diwali with friends.

Can I despise dolmio when I'm not Italian?

I am more than happy for anyone to celebrate St Patrick’s Day, unless you call it ‘St Patty’s Day’ in which case you’re barred.

I’m in Mexico for Dia de Muertoa this year and there is definitely many planned fiestas at the local establishments, so I’m not sure it is treated as a sombre occasion by Mexicans.

But I struggle with cultural appropriation as a concept. The more melting pot we are with mixed cultures, the less “othered” people are. I get we should recognise the roots of celebrations, but heck even Christmas was culturally appropriated at one point.

By your use of pub and county, I'm guessing you're in the UK or Ireland? If so, your analogy is wrong. Diwali has a completely different cultural root to any majority custom of these islands. Whereas Die De Muertos, even taking the arguments about level of indigenous influence at their absolute highest, is very clearly a syncretistic festival with some roots in the same tradition as Allhallowstide. Which itself has roots in a more ancient tradition than Christianity.

So by all means don't like it, but Diwali isn't the right comparison.

Thing is you can criticise most things if you try. I mean we’re about to celebrate Guy Fawkes 🔥 🏰 💣 💀

Do you actively find it disrespectful OP? Because I don’t think the pubs are claiming to offer an authentic Mexican experience, it’s just an attempt to drum up a bit of trade with a party. So does it really do real harm. That said I haven’t seen any of this in my area at all.

Well, Halloweeen is cultural appropriation too in that case. It's roots are Celtic New Year, Samhain. Irish and Scottish best not dress up or have a party, or go trick or treating either.. Can't we just enjoy ourselves dwithout all this cultural appropriation crap.

A. Diwali parties are thrown and b. Day of the dead parties are a thing in Mexican communities in the USA, don’t personally know any in the uk, also people aren’t solemn in graveyards even

The big day of the dead parade in Mexico City always looks pretty fiesta-y, and sometimes distinctly unsolemn. I should imagine the craic is excellent.

I wouldn't go Morris dancing, though.

That didn’t use to exist. It was only created after the Bond film (Spectre). The next year some tourists arrived and asked about the parade (which obviously did t exist). So the Mexico City government started organising it as it was a way of bringing tourism and $$$$

@Stayinganontoday Do you believe in segregating cultures, OP? You clearly feel very strongly about removing non-British culture from the UK. Similarly, do you want other countries not to appropriate British culture?

I call my American friends “gringos” depending of the context it can be a term of endearment. Also, in South America it means any white foreigner , whereas in Mexico it only used with Americans.

In theory it came from the US/Mexican war when the Mexican shouted “Green go” (because of their uniform).

I know!

Nor do the Hindus. Ive been to Hindu celebrations and friends of all or no religion are invited..
Always have a great time 😆