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To comment on every single “Die de Muertos” pub party that’s its cultural appropriation?

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Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:36

I’ve seen so many parties popping up around my county that are using AI slop to advertise their “Day of the Death” parties when a) nobody who’s Mexican has been consulted b) the food has nothing to do with Mexican food c) it’s a solemn family occasion - not a fiesta! And no, we don’t do face painting.

Every single time I see one, my eye twitches! I’m sure if a random persons (that had nothing to do with Hinduism) decided to throw a “Diwali party” people wouldn’t stay quiet.

Sorry it’s been one of those days and needed a rant!

OP posts:
bababamama · Yesterday 20:59

We do have the same festival in the uk, All Souls Day, 2nd November, and church host memorial services for those who have died in the past year (on nearest Sunday usually). It’s not unique to Mexico

Gwenna · Yesterday 20:59

TheoreticallyAdult · Yesterday 19:49

Cultural appropriation is not a thing.

It was academic theory adopted by the perpetually offended.

This 👏

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:59

shuggles · Yesterday 20:56

@Stayinganontoday Do you believe in segregating cultures, OP? You clearly feel very strongly about removing non-British culture from the UK. Similarly, do you want other countries not to appropriate British culture?

Honouring is very different to cultural appropriation. In Mexico we don’t appropriate that much that’s British (beyond the random pub).

Im all for it as a matter of education and cultural
enrichment. Not using it as an excuse for something people have no clue about.

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ISpyNoPlumPie · Yesterday 21:00

I think the intention is important. If it comes from a place of sharing culture and knowledge, it’s meaningful. If it’s me, making some very inauthentic Mexican (probably tex-mex) food at home, it’s harmless although I wouldn’t make that for someone from Mexico. If it’s a pub or a club stealing a cultural tradition to make money, I’m not a fan. It’s just cheap cynical theft of an aesthetic without any care for the history and traditions. Similarly I don’t like it when fast fashion brands “steal” indigenous art and fabrics to mass produce them, using exploitative labour, to make money for their shareholders. I think there’s a clear difference.

Gwenna · Yesterday 21:00

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · Yesterday 20:31

But what do they do on Dolmio Day?

🤣 Give it a pass(ta)?

Bundleflower · Yesterday 21:01

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:59

Honouring is very different to cultural appropriation. In Mexico we don’t appropriate that much that’s British (beyond the random pub).

Im all for it as a matter of education and cultural
enrichment. Not using it as an excuse for something people have no clue about.

Cultural appropriation isn’t real. The only people that think it is are people that are desperate to feel that their culture is beyond everybody else’s.
I’m surprised you’re not calling to ban people learning a second language.

Toodarktooearly · Yesterday 21:02

On that note I would like everyone not born in East Anglia to stop braiding their hair. We Iceni have been braiding our hair far longer than the rest of you cultural appropriatists.

Additup · Yesterday 21:02

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:29

They’re disgusting and have nothing to do with my cuisine. Same way as my Italian friends despise Dolmio.

I feel the same about English Breakfast Tea.

PollyBell · Yesterday 21:02

So non Christians cant have Christmas or Easter parties?

Gwenna · Yesterday 21:02

seahorsessky · Yesterday 20:03

Day of the Dead (which is how most parties/children's fairs etc seem to put it) is relatively new in Britain though, isn't it? As in, when I was a kid, I don't remember the soft plays/fairs/pubs etc having it. Happy to be corrected, but it definitely wasn't in any city I lived in here.
Halloween/Christmas etc are celebrated by most people regardless of religion though.

All Saints Day (Nov 1st) and Samhain the night before. Dead enough for you? 😁

IsThePopeCatholic · Yesterday 21:03

The problem is, whenever Brits import cultural traditions, it just turns into a major piss-up.

Bundleflower · Yesterday 21:03

IsThePopeCatholic · Yesterday 21:03

The problem is, whenever Brits import cultural traditions, it just turns into a major piss-up.

That’s fair.

Gwenna · Yesterday 21:04

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:05

I actually never have, but I don’t honk it’s necessarily the same. Some of these elements that people use to decorate, are symbols that were passed for generations for hundreds of years, and some of these beliefs (like souls coming from Mictlan) have been around for thousands of years.

Ireland has been continuously inhabited for 10,000 years. Granted St Patrick’s Day may only date back one or two of them but we have a Celtic culture in these islands that goes back a long way 😉 ☘️

Soontobe60 · Yesterday 21:04

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · Yesterday 20:25

How do you feel about old el paso fajita kits being widely available OP?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

ShattonerfDaParp · Yesterday 21:05

IsThePopeCatholic · Yesterday 21:03

The problem is, whenever Brits import cultural traditions, it just turns into a major piss-up.

Where's this problem you mentioned?

Dollymylove · Yesterday 21:05

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:59

Honouring is very different to cultural appropriation. In Mexico we don’t appropriate that much that’s British (beyond the random pub).

Im all for it as a matter of education and cultural
enrichment. Not using it as an excuse for something people have no clue about.

So what do you think should happen to people who "culturally appropriate"?

changing47 · Yesterday 21:06

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:57

I call my American friends “gringos” depending of the context it can be a term of endearment. Also, in South America it means any white foreigner , whereas in Mexico it only used with Americans.

In theory it came from the US/Mexican war when the Mexican shouted “Green go” (because of their uniform).

Maybe these pub parties are being organised as a way of showing endearment and not as an insult.

jumpingjohnny · Yesterday 21:07

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:46

Yes, but not for profit, and not as an excuse to party! There’s no educational content around it

Colour runs have become quite popular and monetized in recent years (cultural appropriation of the Hindu festival of Holi).

Openmouthinsertfood · Yesterday 21:07

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:59

Honouring is very different to cultural appropriation. In Mexico we don’t appropriate that much that’s British (beyond the random pub).

Im all for it as a matter of education and cultural
enrichment. Not using it as an excuse for something people have no clue about.

beyond the random pub

But that's making profit???!

PumpkinSpicePie · Yesterday 21:07

ShattonerfDaParp · Yesterday 21:05

Where's this problem you mentioned?

😄

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Yesterday 21:08

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 19:46

Yes, but not for profit, and not as an excuse to party! There’s no educational content around it

Life gets much nicer if you see everything as an excuse to party.

Toodarktooearly · Yesterday 21:08

IsThePopeCatholic · Yesterday 21:03

The problem is, whenever Brits import cultural traditions, it just turns into a major piss-up.

And that's our culture so you'd best not start getting pissed that's reserved for us Brits

changing47 · Yesterday 21:09

ShattonerfDaParp · Yesterday 21:05

Where's this problem you mentioned?

Must be a typo.

Soontobe60 · Yesterday 21:09

Stayinganontoday · Yesterday 20:57

I call my American friends “gringos” depending of the context it can be a term of endearment. Also, in South America it means any white foreigner , whereas in Mexico it only used with Americans.

In theory it came from the US/Mexican war when the Mexican shouted “Green go” (because of their uniform).

There are several phrases that have been used to address non-white ‘foreigners’ in the UK - most people now see those as racist and wouldn’t dare use them.

Crispynoodle · Yesterday 21:09

Oh dear it’s my costume this year after spending some time in Mexico during the summer

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