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To think that this is a ridiculous arrangement?

347 replies

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 09:33

I have a friend and I’m really struggling not to say something.

She is married with a 2.5 year old child. She’s also pregnant with her second.

Her dh works full time but she doesn’t work at the moment, which is fair enough, she has a small child.

But, her toddler has been in nursery 2.5 days a week since he was 1. It’s costing them an absolute fortune and she fully intends to put baby number 2 into nursery too.

She is constantly telling me how broke they are and worrying about money but she sees the nursery as essential because apparently her ds loves it there and it’s all for his development.

Aibu to think that this is a crazy arrangement and find it hard not to say something?

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NopeNotThat · 08/10/2026 12:28

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 11:37

I only know what she tells me and what I see.

I do not think women should be doing everything, and I am certainly not horrified at a man doing the shopping and cooking.

But she is 100% not plastering or sanding floors.

Edited

You're sounding more like a bloke who had a male employee and your nose is firmly out of joint because you thought hiring a bloke would mean you don't have any of these "women's problems" like childcare and flexible working for nursery runs

CaptainMyCaptain · 08/10/2026 12:32

IronEverything · 08/10/2026 09:42

Tell her to get a job for the days he's in nursery.

I wouldn't appreciate a friend telling me to do anything. Mind your own business OP.

ukathleticscoach2012 · 08/10/2026 12:33

I used to think nursery was just out of necessity if you are both working.
However it brought both ours on in their development so much one of our kids was a bit clingy round the house. First day at nursery never even looked back and was always good going in. They get to play with other kids and toys all day then do some learning as well.

SplishSplash123 · 08/10/2026 12:33

What does she do all day while child is at nursery/with grandparents?

I loved the idea of being a SAHP before I had my toddler (Im not as its not financially viable for us), but now I actually think working outside the home is an easier deal than 24/7 parenting 🤣 ?my Friday off with my daughter is time I treasure but is also exhausting.

I do think an ideal balance is for a SAHP with a baby/toddler to have some child free time during the week to get things done, to then allow time with the child to be focused on play and learning etc. But this is an "ideal" and shouldn't come at the expense of being in debt (and nor do I think the state should cover childcare costs in these circumstances either!)

YANBU to think the set up is ridiculous, but I wouldnt say anything in your shoes. If you want to stop her talking about it, maybe saying "I don't know what else there is to say, the figures don't balance but you don't want to take him out of nursery, shall we talk about something else?"

Needmorelego · 08/10/2026 12:35

UnbeatenMum · 08/10/2026 12:26

Last time I looked into this, which was admittedly a while ago, the evidence was that it was beneficial for children to attend some kind of preschool setting from age 3. High quality childcare before that should be as good as good parenting but not better.

From age 3 - which is preschool is different to what the OPs friend is doing though.
2 year old and (later on) a baby aren't attending pre-school.

DelphiniumBlue · 08/10/2026 12:35

Are there playgroups these days? When mine were young ( decades ago) we used to send them to community playgroups a few mornings a week for socialisation and a different sort of play, until they were old enough for school nursery. This was much cheaper than a private nursery.
But I haven't come across any recently, and wonder if they are still a thing, I'm wondering if it's even financially possible to run them, given current legislation.

UnbeatenMum · 08/10/2026 12:36

Needmorelego · 08/10/2026 12:35

From age 3 - which is preschool is different to what the OPs friend is doing though.
2 year old and (later on) a baby aren't attending pre-school.

Yes - sorry, if it wasn't clear I voted YANBU

FrogAndToadTogether · 08/10/2026 12:37

I’d be scratching my head about this behaviour too OP. Getting into debt for this and moaning about it to you all the time is crazy to me!

I’ve never come across any evidence nursery is better for a 1-2yo than being at home, unless home is a challenging environment perhaps. Where are people getting this idea from? I only use nursery as both DP and I need to work, not because I believe it has any special benefit for DC.

Sartre · 08/10/2026 12:40

It’s silly but I guess she thinks she’s doing the right thing for her DC and perhaps it helps her mental health to have some time alone too so seems worth it? Obviously the fact they’re getting into debt for it doesn’t make much sense and she should perhaps consider dropping it down to 1 day.

imacanadianmum · 08/10/2026 12:40

I'm sure some may disagree. I have temporarily accumulated debt to keep my child in wraparound whilst I am unemployed now attempting solopreneur route. He needs the stability, socialisation with friends. My child has SEN and a DLA. At home its just me, and they do not have friends or family around. Wraparound has kids from other schools and years - it creates new social opportunities and gives me more time to work on building something.

If you're concerned about your friends choices, why not just ask her? Of course acknowledge its not really any of your business - but in wanting to help her you notice she is concerned about finances and yet it seems obvious to save money on childcare. I'm sure she'll have an answer about what her needs are or why she's making the decision. Maybe it's just not something you've thought of.

Needmorelego · 08/10/2026 12:40

DelphiniumBlue · 08/10/2026 12:35

Are there playgroups these days? When mine were young ( decades ago) we used to send them to community playgroups a few mornings a week for socialisation and a different sort of play, until they were old enough for school nursery. This was much cheaper than a private nursery.
But I haven't come across any recently, and wonder if they are still a thing, I'm wondering if it's even financially possible to run them, given current legislation.

There's loads of playgroups around.
Sometimes called "Stay and Play" or "Come and Play".
A parent/carer has to stay though. The children don't go by themselves.
Way back in my day (early 80s) playgroup was for 3/4 year olds and parents didn't stay but 3/4 year olds now can go to preschool and all get 15 hours free (in England anyway).

Arltan · 08/10/2026 12:42

I voted YANBU because of the debt they're getting into to fund this. It's not an necessary expense- unless she can't cope, in which case having another baby right now is a terrible idea.

Needmorelego · 08/10/2026 12:42

@imacanadianmum that's completely different though.
You need the childcare while you are settling up your business (so working).

Shrewsburywithanoo · 08/10/2026 12:46

It's certainly irritating when people complain about being skint when there are obvious luxuries they could cut back on
My brother has always complained to me- a genuinely skint person!- about money
He also had a non-working partner and a child in paid for nursery, they're a two car family-
One time he was yabbering on about being broke and I was quite worried- I called him about a week later to find he was holidaying in Florida!
He's actually a really sweet guy, but some people are tone deaf.
I've never said anything, not worth it, I just bristle to myself.

PingPong91 · 08/10/2026 12:48

These threads are always so weird to me. OP is like "My friend has made a decision I find hard to understand or don't agree with". Posters respond with sensible input as to why the decision might be sensible or necessary for the friend, even if OP would do things differently. OP then doubles down with a hundred extra details to counter these suggestions, by the end of which the friend has been cast as such an arsehole, it's impossible to understand why the OP is friends with them at all.

To which I say - OP, if it is really the case that your friend is overburdening you with her whinging, forcing you to take on the emotional load of her financial problems, taking advantage of the help offered by friends and family, financially taking advantage of you, and not doing her fair share of family chores to the detriment of her husband, then WHY IN THE WORLD are you friends? What gun is being held to your head that is forcing you into friendship with someone you plainly dislike and disapprove of?

It's madness! You're allowed to only be friends with people you actually like!

RandomMess · 08/10/2026 12:50

It sounds like she is having a major issue coping with motherhood tbh. Quite why they are having a 2nd when is isn’t managing one seems odd, although her DH could desperately want a 2nd.

When she complains about money could ask if she wants any advice on how to cut back. I wonder if family are paying nursery fees.

Bigtrapeze · 08/10/2026 12:51

My child went to preschool 3 mornings a week when she was 2.5 and sometimes I was at work, sometimes I wasn't depending on the hours I was doing that week. She went for herself not to enable me to work. I ended up with some mornings off.

Our finances were much tighter then but when she went to school I went back to work part time but regularly and we managed to save a bit. I have no regrets. If your friend is pregnant, now doesn't seem like a good time to job hunt. I definitely swapped having more disposable income for time at home, and I was pretty thrifty to make it happen. Having young children is a short season so I can see your friend's perspective.

Is she being careful with money broke or getting into debt broke? People's definitions of that varies. Some people who say how broke they are have lots more money than those who are struggling and don't mention it.

I wouldn't have got into debt-I would have worked more. It was also really important to me that she got a fabulous preschool education and that was worth every penny.

thisismeithinkorisit · 08/10/2026 12:53

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 09:42

I don’t think I will ever say anything but it’s hard when she’s telling me how much they’re struggling for money and in debt and so on.

She seems to think that the nursery is all for her toddlers development and because he has friends there.

I would say something. along the lines of "you know you're a great Mom, you can absolutely give him the same good start as nursery, he doesn't need to be there as much as you need to be able to manage financially" but then me and my friends have few filters around this stuff and believe in honesty

Skibididoo · 08/10/2026 12:54

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 10:01

Mumsnet is a strange place sometimes.If I posted on here that I was a sahp but was paying out £££ to put my kid in nursery half the week, and was broke. I’d be ripped apart 🤣

If you asked for peoples opinions on the matter they’d likely give it. It doesn’t sound like your friend has asked though. I do admit it would be hard not to comment if she was repeatedly complaining about being broke though.

LateLifeReturnee · 08/10/2026 13:03

Your problem is not the choices she makes with her family, it's her constant going on about her financial hardship that those choices are causing. She goes on so much, to "shut her up" you pay for her when you meet up if I've read your posts correctly.

You are tired of listening to her over and over, and disagreeing with her choice makes it worse. Here's my take on both parts.

If the conversations is too much about money, change it. Talk about something else.

Meet in a park not in a cafe and bring your coffee from home so you don't feel pressured to pay for hers.

If she asks for advice, you can give some. This may or may not break the friendship. I've had some very tough advice from friends that I didn't want to hear and we are still friends. I have given advice in turn myself. But some friendships can't survive it. Be prepared for that.

You can ask if she wants advice., especially if you have tried to change the subject and she keeps circling back. Again, she may say she wants it, but be offended.

I would never say her choice of childcare is ridiculous, but discussing free playgroups, library programs to get socialisation without the cost, possible parttime work to offset fees are places I'd go. Ask her why she needs these two days childfree - she may be just struggling and desperately need a break. It might not seem that way from the outside but her mental health might be really fragile.

Sometimes, friendships arenn't really a positive in your life. Some friendships naturallly die. Whatever brought you together isn't really that deep a bond. If you can't talk to her about what you are venting here about, the constant repetative moaning about money that goes nowhere, every time you meet, then you really need to think about are you really friends.

CremeEggsForBreakfast · 08/10/2026 13:11

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 10:01

Mumsnet is a strange place sometimes.If I posted on here that I was a sahp but was paying out £££ to put my kid in nursery half the week, and was broke. I’d be ripped apart 🤣

There IS a thread on this that I was part of earlier this week. OP left her job and misunderstood the funding she was entitled to and how it worked so when her DP also left his job there nursery bill was extortionate. The number of people saying she should be looking after her own children of she was at home was staggering....

Thehop · 08/10/2026 13:12

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 09:40

I’m surprised that people are voting yabu.

Who pays to put their baby/toddler into nursery when they are a sahp.

We've had lots of parents put babies in nursery to enjoy their maternity leave.

I could never but to each their own

Xmasbaby11 · 08/10/2026 13:14

YANBU considering she is open about the fact they are in debt and she complains about it. On the face of it, she should either keep her child at home or find some work to increase their income.

However, I'm assuming you have pointed out that nursery is a luxury and she has disregarded that, so there is little more you can do. Now she is pregnant, it will be valuable having the older one in nursery some days, so that ship has sailed tbh.

I think just accept that you don't always see eye to eye with friends.

Packofsix · 08/10/2026 13:16

It’s none of your business. Are you her Mum?

Bfgirl101 · 08/10/2026 13:16

NopeNotThat · 08/10/2026 12:28

You're sounding more like a bloke who had a male employee and your nose is firmly out of joint because you thought hiring a bloke would mean you don't have any of these "women's problems" like childcare and flexible working for nursery runs

Edited

I’m not a male nor am I an employer.

I was responding to a poster who said that the husband was probably useless mad she had no support.

He is definitely not useless and she does have a lot of support.

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