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MIL Christmas dilemma – AIBU to not want DH spending most of Christmas Day driving?

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Foxy200 · Yesterday 22:47

I’m really struggling with this and could do with some outside opinions.
MIL is in her 80s, lives about two hours away, doesn’t drive and has been on her own since FIL died 15 years ago. DH is an only child, so realistically we are the only family she has at Christmas.
She is extremely introverted and has always found staying anywhere other than her own home very difficult. She doesn’t particularly like coming to ours and can only really cope with being around people for a couple of hours.
Historically, when she comes for Christmas, she wants DH to collect her late on Christmas Eve and take her home first thing on Boxing Day. With the driving there and back twice, DH ends up spending about five hours of Christmas on the road.
This year my parents are coming to us. MIL has never spent Christmas with us when they are here. There’s no falling out and she doesn’t dislike them — she just finds having other people around very difficult — so I strongly suspect she will decide to stay at home.
Normally I would think that was entirely her choice.
The complication is that when she has stayed at home in previous years, she sometimes hasn’t answered the phone all day and has even unplugged it. DH then becomes so worried that he drives two hours there to check she is OK and two hours back. On the occasions this has happened, she has been absolutely fine.
However, this year we are also concerned that she may be developing dementia and are waiting for an assessment. She is increasingly forgetful and there have been occasions when she hasn’t remembered who we are. So I completely understand why DH is worried about leaving her alone.
DH is now suggesting that if she won't come to us, he drives up on Christmas Day, spends a couple of hours with her and drives home. Realistically he could be gone for six or seven hours.
And this is where I’m struggling.
I don't want to be horrible about an elderly woman potentially developing dementia, and if this were my mum I know I would be worried too. But I also don't think the answer can be that DH spends a huge chunk of every Christmas driving around the country.
She is invited to ours. We genuinely want her to come and would make her welcome. She could have a quiet room to retreat to and wouldn't be expected to sit socialising all day. But if she decides she would rather stay at home, should DH then miss most of Christmas Day to go to her?
The other thing I'm struggling with is that even if DH agrees not to go, I'm not sure how any of us actually enjoy Christmas.
My parents will be here, but if MIL is at home alone and not answering the phone, DH will spend the day worrying about whether she's OK. I'll know he's worrying and I'll feel guilty trying to enjoy myself with my parents while he's anxious about his mum. We'll potentially spend Christmas Day waiting to see whether she answers the phone and wondering whether DH is going to end up getting in the car anyway.
So it feels as though whatever we do, Christmas ends up revolving around MIL.
There is also some history that probably affects how I feel about this. DH had a very difficult childhood and left home at 16. From 16 until he met me at 29, MIL essentially left him to spend Christmases without her. I have to admit I find it hard not to feel some resentment that our family Christmases now revolve around making sure she isn't alone when she didn't seem to have the same concern about him when he was young.
At the same time, she's his mum. She's elderly, she's alone and she may have dementia. I absolutely don't want DH sitting at home worrying that something has happened to her, or feeling terrible if he doesn't go. And if this were my own mum, I suspect I'd feel exactly as he does.
We also have an 11-year-old son, and I feel quite sad at the thought of his dad disappearing for most of Christmas Day. There aren't that many childhood Christmases left.
I'm starting to think the real issue is that we need some way of knowing MIL is safe without DH having to drive four hours every time she doesn't answer her phone. If she is becoming unsafe to be left alone, then obviously this is much bigger than Christmas and we need a proper plan for her care.
But in the meantime I don't know what the answer is.
If she comes to us, she will be unhappy because my parents are here and she finds being around people overwhelming.
If she stays at home, DH will worry about her.
If DH goes to see her, he misses most of Christmas with us and our son.
And if he stays home but spends the whole day worrying about her, I'm not sure any of us will enjoy Christmas anyway.
AIBU to feel that we can't keep doing this every Christmas? And what would you actually do in our situation?

OP posts:
Littlemisssunshine1982 · Yesterday 23:24

My Nan has carers go in 3 times a day, is this something you can look into for her? Then your dh can relax a bit

Flamingojune · Yesterday 23:24

Fuck that. She comes to yours. She cant hijack christmss

PizzaBnJerryMealDeal · Yesterday 23:25

One solution

DH spends all Christmas day with his DM

The rest of you all celebrate Christmas on Boxing day together (so postpone for 1 day)

That is what we used to do when family were working over Xmas, we moved the day

CherryKerry · Yesterday 23:25

Try and persuade him to visit on Xmas Eve instead, as for the phone could you persuade DH not to worry as she tends not to answer anyway?

You also might just have to leave him to go, I pretty much lost the last 8 Christmas Day's to various elderly MIL issues.

standandsip · Yesterday 23:26

canklesmctacotits · Yesterday 22:54

And I don’t think this is entirely your DH’s decision. It’s your family Christmas, too. You have a son together.

Yep. And his child's needs trump his mother's wants. Particularly since his mother was not bothered at all about Christmas from dh age 16-29, shows she's not actually bothered by Christmas, as a whole, just what suits her.

CoffeeAndCakeBringMeJoy · Yesterday 23:29

I’m so sorry, I accidentally tapped YABU when scrolling to YANBU. I feel for you, this sounds so very difficult. MIL sounds quite manipulative, especially with her unplugging the phone. I have an 11 year old DD, and would be upset for her if DH disappeared for that length of time. Given that you have your own family to put at the heart of this, I would make one last offer for her to come to you, and then look into some kind of assistive tech and/or Care Line or similar to hopefully give your DH some peace of mind.

Pennyplant19 · Yesterday 23:33

Apologies if this has been mentioned before - but has she said why she turns the phone off? We discovered my Mum was doing this because she was being targeted by fraudsters and ‘charities’ when she was at the early stages of Dementia - we reported it and discovered these arseholes sell the numbers of vulnerable people. Might be worth a bit of probing (if you haven’t already of course)

aWeeCornishPastie · Yesterday 23:33

what @Flamingojune said

onthespot42 · Yesterday 23:33

our entire family life was hijacked by dementia for 10 years . I could have quite cheerfully strangled my mum in the mid years ! A lot of posters have no idea . Carelines aren’t for family peace of mind btw . If the elderly person actually uses it - the switchboard rings an ambulance & you have to race to meet it .

Nat6999 · Yesterday 23:34

Could you arrange carers or respite care over Christmas? How would your dh cope if we were under feet of snow & he was unable to travel the 5 hour round trip to see her?

mumsntt · Yesterday 23:39

MIL sounds manipulative

what about everyday apart from christmas day, does she unplug her phone then?

if she does then why should DH only worry on christmas day?

if she doesnt then she knows DH will worry and visit her

Brokentoes85 · Yesterday 23:40

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 23:11

His mum has worsened suddenly. He's not forgetting anyone's Christmas.

Nope, she didn't answer the phone and turned it off on previous years when there was no mention of dementia, which is when dh was worried and drove all the way there and all was well. And she didn't care about his christmas'. Going to his mother's would certainly be making a choice.

SixtySomething · Yesterday 23:40

Ilovelurchers · Yesterday 23:17

I just reread the thread and some of the posts are really upsetting. It's not at all unusual for someone with dementia to do things like turning off their phone. They are not doing it to "be manipulative'. Someone who often doesn't recognise their family, can't really be said to have to level of cognitive function it requires to "be manipulative".

And whoever suggested she should be "reprimanded" - is that really how you treat elderly, vulnerable relatives? You reprimand then? That's really quite upsetting to read, to be honest. I can't imagine ever "reprimanding" my parents - especially when they were unwell with such a scary and horrible disease.

Looks like you didn't see the recent post where DD was on the point of going NC with her DM because DM had told her DGS, 10, that he needed to eat less.

One suggestion was that DGM must be made to give a public apology to DGS in front of his DPs , where she was required to state that if she repeated the infraction, he absolutely must report the matter to his DP, who would take further action. Absolutely extraordinary IMO!

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 23:48

With dementia there is no point making a plan now, a few months down the line her behaviour/health could have significantly deteriorated

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 23:48

The minute you mentioned your son, my entire thought process changed. You DH needs to put his child first and not his selfish mother. Dementia - or no - didn't turn her into an awful person but by putting her above his own child - he's failing his own family.

Freshrain · Yesterday 23:55

BadSkiingMum · Yesterday 22:55

I lost all sympathy for her when you described her earlier lack of care, nay neglect, of her own child around Christmas time.

This is how she chooses to be. You need to have a firm word with your DH and tell him to break the pattern and prioritise his own child at Christmas.

I agree with this.

The way she treated your now dh when he was a teenager and in his 20s is shocking. I lost sympathy at that point.

The fact she has deliberately unplugged the phone is appalling.

I do understand people saying it is your dh's choice, but he needs the manipulation pointing out to him, as well as the message he is sending to his own son how unimportant he is.

If your dh doesn't drive and see her every day, then there is no likelihood that she would fall or come to any other harm on Christmas Day than on any other day. He has got used to being manipulated by her, and it is not fair on you or on his son.

freerangethighs · Yesterday 23:56

Is Christmas the only day when she disengages the telephone and does not talk with anyone? Does your DH speak with her every other day? If so, then I would guess there is some specific trauma at play, but I would wonder if your DH driving to see her on that day really helps and if so how and why - and is there a way to accomplish the same help without as much disruption? If NOT, then perhaps she genuinely wants to be alone at Christmas. I would not interfere if that's the case.

onthespot42 · Yesterday 23:56

Brokentoes85 · Yesterday 23:40

Nope, she didn't answer the phone and turned it off on previous years when there was no mention of dementia, which is when dh was worried and drove all the way there and all was well. And she didn't care about his christmas'. Going to his mother's would certainly be making a choice.

Edited

Looking back almost a decade before my mum’s vascular dementia diagnosis there were a lot of occasions where we can now pinpoint she was unreasonable, illogical or hysterical in her 60s to the point of frustration& upset for us all . There’s quite a bit of research now that backs the evidence that the early signs happen waaaay before an official diagnosis ( which doesn’t usually happen until you’re pretty far down the tracks usually ) . OP and her DH are evidently nice decent people doing the right thing by an elderly person who is vulnerable who might be an awful person too! . Likewise a lot of people who were loved by their parents greatly don’t always step up ( including getting external help in ) when the time comes . Some do ( like me ) pay the price and resented it greatly as well. The op is not unreasonable in her frustration and sadness . Some people see elder care as an issue where if they loved you enough then of course you do everything your power to help and if they didn’t ( not withstanding say horrible horrible abuse of some kind ) then you wash your hands of them .

standandsip · Yesterday 23:57

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 23:48

With dementia there is no point making a plan now, a few months down the line her behaviour/health could have significantly deteriorated

Or, rather, they must put carers and plans in place right now, and no more of this driving for hours if his mother doesn't answer her phone, as yes she could get worse quite quickly.

His mother will be fine with the carer on Christmas day and they can visit Boxing Day or Christmas Eve.

That way, the 11 year old son doesn't have his Christmas ruined, which is the main thing.

And since Christmas didn't matter to the mother in law from dh's age16-29, she's obviously not bothered about Christmas, as such.

seahorsessky · Yesterday 23:58

Just keep encouraging her to stay at yours, being clear she'll have her own space. Or could your parents pick her up/drop her off? Obviously they might not be able to/willing to, but it sometimes works if one set of grandparents are able to drive.

Mumof1andacat · Yesterday 23:59

Could dh stay over at mil on Christmas eve and drive home in the morning? He would of seen her then. The could have nice breakfast together

sittingonabeach · Today 00:01

onthespot42 · Yesterday 23:56

Looking back almost a decade before my mum’s vascular dementia diagnosis there were a lot of occasions where we can now pinpoint she was unreasonable, illogical or hysterical in her 60s to the point of frustration& upset for us all . There’s quite a bit of research now that backs the evidence that the early signs happen waaaay before an official diagnosis ( which doesn’t usually happen until you’re pretty far down the tracks usually ) . OP and her DH are evidently nice decent people doing the right thing by an elderly person who is vulnerable who might be an awful person too! . Likewise a lot of people who were loved by their parents greatly don’t always step up ( including getting external help in ) when the time comes . Some do ( like me ) pay the price and resented it greatly as well. The op is not unreasonable in her frustration and sadness . Some people see elder care as an issue where if they loved you enough then of course you do everything your power to help and if they didn’t ( not withstanding say horrible horrible abuse of some kind ) then you wash your hands of them .

There’s things I look back over the last 10 years or so which I now think started to show the early signs of dementia in my DM. Can be subtle changes or the odd thing she did

Calliopespa · Today 00:03

I think it is really reasonable you don't want DH driving there for several hours on Christmas Day, especially if she has been invited.

But I'm not sure I see that it would really disturb Christmas for him to spend time with her on Christmas Eve. He could drive up and be back in time for Christmas Evensong, a Christmas movie, Christmas Eve boxes - or whatever your tradition is.

Surely that way everyone would feel better about her and could relax on Christmas Day?

sittingonabeach · Today 00:03

Need to get carers sorted out soon if you are expecting someone to go in Christmas Day. Also may take some time to persuade MIL to accept carers. Can be quite hard to persuade someone they need a carer when they don’t actually understand they are ill

onthespot42 · Today 00:04

@sittingonabeach oh for sure - my wedding day story is a peach ! People think dementia is all forgetting your keys or words in the early days - it’s a devious thing dementia- it makes fools of us all .