To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

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Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

I agree but what can they do. We live in a society where the public servants literally are servants and have no ability to push back without complaints; suspension, etc

So disrupt education even more and make it impossible for parents to work putting more into poverty?

what we need is for schools and families to be better supported to get to the roots of problems quickly and schools to have the funds to actually provide the sensory circuits, the movement breaks, the 1-1 chat times, that would then allow children to access the curriculum.

We need to stop having a system which tries to make all children conform to what many can’t. We need to focus on getting the foundations right first.

Most of all though it needs to be a team effort of alienating the parents like you propose won’t help make it a team effort.

And when parents can’t find jobs close enough to schools, or lose their jobs because of this, are you proposing to pay them benefits?

And when people (probably women because it’s always expected that mothers will take the hit) end up in debt and then in prison for it where are you going to find prison spaces and who is going to foot the bill for the kids going into care?

Be far better to use the money you’d spend on this scheme to fund schools properly. That would solve a vast number of problems much quicker and much easier.

The root of the problem can be parenting.

It can be, and support should be offered but what the OP is proposing won’t be anything to fix the issue.

You can’t be serious? Please please be a troll.
apart from being completely ridiculous and neuroexclusive, what are parents supposed to do if they don’t work within an hour of the school?

Sometimes it is, so why would anyone think giving them more time with parents, and less time at school, is going to help improve the child's behaviour ?

I think that the ops objective here is to enrage the parents enough so that they “encourage” the children in to submission, potentially in a Victorian fashion.

Ha I have heard if you want children to behave you inconvenience the parents but this is a bit too far.

Yes, I do think some parents need to take more responsibility.

Maybe it will, maybe it wont, but worst case scenario it will benefit everyone else in the ckassroom

Then it will encourage them go make sure their child behaves.

Exactly. For some kids school is a safe space with rules and boundaries.

OP this plan won’t work. Lots of parents won’t be able to get to school within an hour or watch the training thing. Parents have to work.

I agree it’s all very annoying and some is down to parenting. But also it also down to school funding and the way the curriculum is set up.

if there were smaller classes, more teachers (ratio), varied curriculum to suit all learners (more life skills and hands on learning), more resources….some of these behaviours wouldn’t exist. Many teachers would also benefit from well-being support for themselves so that they aren’t stressed and can offer compassion and time. But currently their workload is crazy and it’s easier to slap the kids with behaviour points and detentions than to find out what’s going on.

How?! We going to have parents in school now too?

No, physical puishment would be illegal snd is not the aim here.

Will it though? Or will it make the gaps even bigger, give no reason for children struggling at school to make any effort because they know they will be sent home. Give schools no time to provide the support they need and mean parents see school as the enemy so relationships can’t be built.

Social services are already stretched; they're really not going to care about an "abandoned" 14/15/16 year old.

‘Neuroexclusive’? What fresh hell is this? If a child is disrupting the education of others they need to be permanently removed from the classroom. Inclusion isn’t a suitable option. The council have to provide a suitable alternative.

We don’t need smaller classes. We need classes for children who can behave and classes for those that can’t. It’s that simple. Let the 85% who can sit quietly and learn just get on with it, and deal with the rest elsewhere.

The whole point is tgst it is annoying for parents to motivate them to support school rules.
The training is online done at home. it is just a link with an id and a password so it can be done at home.Lots of workplaces do h&s training this way.

If a child is disrupting the lesson they arent learning from it anywsy.so get them out and make them the parents problem

What about my child with AuDHD and a PDA profile? Would this also have applied to them?

I was divorced. My ex would never have got them.

and the Job centre required me to work up to 90 mins away on public transport. My job was actually just over that. I couldn’t afford a car.

what would you have had me do?

No thy wont.which is why i said it t starts off with fixed penalty notices which escalate each time they are imposed

but that doesn’t do anything to tackle the very complex reasons that are often behind the behaviours.

I work in a primary school and all bar one of our most disruptive pupils have issues which an hours online training won’t come close to touching the surface of. Many of them have awfully sad backgrounds (often not parental “fault”)

these children need consistency and a chance to build bonds not to keep being pushed away because the system isn’t designed to help them.

If we write of children at primary school age what hope is there for when they reach adulthood?

And if parents can’t work because of your rules who pays the fines?