To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

[GoodChocolate]

Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

I believe that the parents of disruptive children should be made to.sit next to the child.in class for a half day.
It's a serious deterrent.

You’ve been told why throughout the thread.

OP why don’t you stop to consider how good our schools are? England outperforms most of Europe. Some of the best education scores in the world.

students in France are currently rioting and setting fire to their schools. I think you’re just moaning for the sake of it. Nothing will ever be good enough

goodchocolate out of interest how much time have you spent in a school recently?

Its teachers fault if they are unable to engage the children and expect all kids to behave automatically. You have to put some work into it, since when being a teacher does not involve managing behaviour?

Cocomelon and tiktok sounds a lot like "rock and roll and the Beatles".

Teachers should be able to teach not spend the whole time coping with disruptive children while should be in a more suitable environment. It’s unfair on the children who want to learn and it’s unfair on the teachers. It’s gone too far.

Illuminating how stupid some people are

Are you drunk? Your idea and your spelling seems to suggest you might be

You do realise that every single child (even the ones with selective mutism) talk when they’re not supposed to, right? Hell, even teachers/TA’s do it!

Its bullshit. Teachers teach, including how to behave, they suppose to be able to engage children in learning. I appreciate there could be one or two in a class of 30 who are disruptive, but if its 15 out of 30 I would suggest the teacher needs a different career.

Since when teacher dont give a fuck about children's lives, why they are the way they are, and not trying to make kids lives better? They are not "service providers", their job is much more than that. If you hate children and think they all should be "nice little darlings" you should not be a teacher.

Its not just the 'uncontrollable' psychos , it is the low level stuff like the constant talking , dicking about, making silly noises.The children who have not been brought up to respect authority, have no concentration and are over-scheduled and exhausted

Dare I ask what the definition of a “proper” problem is and how this differs from (I assume) and “improper” problem?!

you can tell that a lot of people don’t actually understand additional needs/SEN and the absolute exhausting nightmare the social care and education system is for these families. There is almost zero specialist provision for children who learn differently or need some extra help. It’s almost been wiped out. And the ones that are available are so underfunded they may as well just be glorified babysitting services. It’s disgusting the fights that SEN families have to go through to get even a basic education for their children.

YABU @GoodChocolate.

Difficult sad, traumatised, struggling children need help and so do their parents, schools and communities.

Otherwise we run the risk of them becoming Difficult addicted, violent, vulnerable, criminal, anti-social adults.

These are just slogans from some stupid news article. Not real life.

"Children not been brought up to respect authority" - well, sorry if its a massive revelation to you but children, like adults, respect people who deserve respect.

The only reasons either of my kids ever got a diagnosis is that we borrowed THOUSANDS of pounds to go private. The wait for assessment was four years. Four years.

And the irony is once they get diagnosed there is literally no help, either in education or outside of it.

Or the children who have stims because of autism. That’s what you’re describing. Tics. Stims.

in my primary school the children get all of the above, some children also get their transport paid for by the school if the parents struggle to get them in, free breakfast club. Subsidised trips, help with uniform.
Unfortunately education will be disrupted if the child has behaviour issues not only their education but everyone else in the class is affected. Sometimes there is no choice but to call the parents, We try not to as the child will then play up to go home. You mention a team effort some parents will not have it that their child behaviour is disruptive, it’s everyone else’s fault. If they were inconvenienced everytime their child chose to misbehave then maybe they would be more willing to help.

School is not childcare. Children need to learn to behave and respect the learning of their classmates even if they don't want to.

My daughter's secondary schooling was destroyed by a significant minority the school could not or would not deal with.

The behaviour erodes grades for those who can behave. Fortunately we were able to move her at the end of Yr 8.

Consequences are required and expulsion needs to be reintroduced as an option. We need more Prus.

I hear you. The private help I paid for my my child cost a fucking fortune. Which I could only pay for because I worked in a job over 90 minutes away from the school….

I actually kind of agree with this. And it's not about lumping all the "Sen kids" into the latter category either. My son is diagnosed as autistic, he thrives off the routine and structure of school, of knowing the rules and expectations. He actually finds it really stressful when other kids are messing about, being loud or aggressive and it makes his anxiety far worse. Some that play up are ND yes but others are just feral and, yes, have parents who sadly don't give a toss.

No, parents are simultaneously mainlining anti government conspiracies while also feeling entitled to government benefits. Make it make sense! Then it rubs off on the kids.

Exactly. Some of our most “troublesome” children respond well to me because I respect them, I take time to get to know them and I listen to them.

This also means for some I become their safe person so become the one who takes the brunt of their frustrations. But that’s part and parcel of trying to support young people in a system which is currently designed to fail them.

The principle isn't unreal but the specifics are. Parents would lose their jobs if this was reality. That certainly wouldn't give them more bandwidth to deal with their children's problem behaviour.

Yes because beating the kids into submission will definitely work 🙄

I consider the state's treatment of children with SEND to be state sanctioned child abuse. Being forced into mainstream school is torture for some children and their mental health is destroyed. There should be many more specialist schools that can protect and nurture children who cannot cope in a huge, noisy school with strict, impossible rules. I have a number of children and adults with autism in my family and the suffering they have gone through is shocking. Yes, the behaviour of some children is disruptive for the rest of the class, but many of these disruptive children are in the wrong setting or don't have the right support.