To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

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Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

They’ll have to figure it out. We can’t solve everyone’s problems.

I got a fine because my ex husband took the kids out of school in term time.

would I be equally liable for his fines if he didn’t step up? How would you determine which parent to apply the fine to in the case of parents who are not together?

A lot of parents do support school rules but can’t be there at school with the child

very aware of e-learning and links. But that’s time off work. Who’s going to pay that?

No it wont cure the children you describe , (altbough they do still need consequences for their behaviour) but it will get tgem out of the classroom)
But are you saying the only low level disruption in your school is from traumatised children? I dont believe you!

Are you a teacher OP? Is most disruptive behaviour down to bad parenting?

I'd imagine some is but isn't most related to mental health? I think that you are proposing will get mothers out of work and give these pupils no chance of getting into work.

I'd be very pleased to get them out of class and into an environment where they aren't disrupting the others, and even better if the cause can be identified and mitigated.

My ds is ND and struggles so much because of disruptive pupils, he shouldn't suffer because of others poor mental health, which has an impact on his own.

Fine I’ll bite.

My son has ADHD; it’s taken a number of years to get a diagnosis. He finds school pretty torturous and has very little ability to not react to the 30 straight hours of stress his brain is under each week.

Out of school he’s a great, well-behaved kid. He plays football, goes fishing with his friends, is funny and polite and kind.

In school he becomes challenging and reactive. Most people read it as ‘naughty kid’.

Now please tell me what parenting webinar I could attend that would cure him? Or what I’ll do to house him once I get fired from my job for repeatedly having to drive to school to collect him during working hours?

And don’t say you’re not talking about kids with some level of SEN because you are, you just often don’t know that you are.

Your idea is as dim as it is unworkable as it is borderline offensive.

Still needs funding and more teachers though.

Read my lips. I don’t care. It’s not my problem to solve, it’s not my child’s problem to solve, it’s not my child’s teachers problem to solve. Whatever their issues, if they’re being disruptive they need to be removed. It’s unbelievable entitled to tell my child they can’t have a proper education as poor little Johnny has a tough home life. Bugger off! Remove them from the classroom and let the council deal with the alternative provision.

This is so obviously a stupid idea that won’t work. It’s from someone who hasn’t taken any time to consider how effective it would it. It just sounds good in your head

They will have fo find time on the evening or get up early or take tine off.
I dont tbink you are getting the principle that the point is that the parents suffer consequences for their childs behaviout.

Some is down to the way schools are run and the curriculum. Not all kids can learn seated in a class for an hour. A more life skill based curriculum would suit a lot of kids much better and also support ND kids who need more movement and functional teaching. The schools just don’t have the money.

Agree. It’s ableist shite.

my one who has audhd and pda is now an SEN specialist teacher.

they wouldnt have been that if I’d lost my job, hadn’t been able to pay for private help, hadn’t been able to get them an ECHP (coz they’d have been just chucked out of school) and I’d have had to pay tons of fines from benefits - for something I couldn’t control.

it isn’t the parents fault all the time you know.

Explain why!

What about children like mine with special needs?

what about when parents are not together? Who pays the fines?

I am. But a lot is not down to parenting. I don’t think you understand the wider contexts involved.

if the parents don’t conform are we putting them in prison?

I have explained ….

What about a child like mine with audhd and PDA? Not a particularly tough home life, yes, I am divorced but I worked full time and went to uni and got qualified and am now a higher rate tax payer.

So because my child is disabled, im getting community service?

and this isn’t an ableist thread?

disgraceful.

Well the end point of that would be homelessness and possibly prison. Improving the struggling child’s life no end and making them much easier to handle in school.

At least have a tiny modicum of thought before you post 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t know. I do feel for you. But this is all so common now people are experiencing empathy burnout. Schools are filled with kids with this, every other post on here is about an anxious and autistic child. It seems an insurmountable problem so people are going for broke.

Do we sack my child then? They’re disabled, with audhd and pda, and according to this thread, shouldn’t have an education and I should be in jail and them in care.

this thread is a fucking disgrace. It’s ableist.

Then they should be educated elsewhere, obviously. If the only way they can be in mainstream is wreaking havoc it’s incredibly selfish for the child to be allowed to do so.

You don’t need to believe me but why would I lie?

behaviour is a massively complex issue and your shut the door after the horse has bolted approach won’t fix a single thing. We need to tackle to causes of the behaviour but that won’t happen because it takes investment in both time and money. So instead we will write these young people off and then in 20 years time complain even more about the welfare bill because people haven’t got the skills needed to work.

to fix anything we need to get the foundations right.

Where is this magically place that has space available for the posters little one?