To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

[GoodChocolate]

Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

Jesus Christ. So not only is my child à bad bastard who I should have been jailed because of, but now they’re a shit teacher too.

way to go.

And now they should be physically abused.

fuckksake this thread is illuminating.

I’m agreeing with you. It’s the state that’s selfish not the parents.

I wish some posters had the faintest idea how hard it is to get a child into a specialist provision, and how much harder it has got over recent years.

DS is 17 now and did manage mainstream with full 1-1 (still has it now at college) but was offered a specialist place which we decided wasn’t right for him. His EHCP has specified full time 1-1 since he was in year 2.

Now I work with children who have much more significant needs than his (and his are significant!) but who can’t get a specialist place at all and where the LA can’t/won’t specify proper 1-1 because they won’t fund it. We are doing everything we can to support them but with limited resources it’s an impossible battle.

I care deeply for the children I work with and feel constant guilt at what I can’t do. It’s not their fault, it’s not the parents fault it’s a system which is set up to fail them.

Exactly my experience 🖤🖤

So cmon OP, tell us that you’ve read our experiences and are seeing something lacking in your very very stupid suggestion.

You can’t command a classroom that has 8 SEN kids who wander about in it, with one or more of whom has “proper” problems and throws chairs etc.

There has been a breakdown in normal behaviour and no matter how good the teacher, one person cannot compensate for this.

Hear hear.

Why has there been a breakdown? I just don’t understand it. I went to a fairly deprived state primary and not once did a child dare to throw a chair at anyone.

I’d be all for this!! I work in both state and private schools and there is very little poor behaviour in private schools. If you’re paying over £100 a day for your child’s education and they piss around you are not going to be impressed. The worst punishment I’ve ever had to use is a threat of a call home to parents and they stop in their tracks.

Also schools have enough to do than all that extra Admin.

How do you motivate away a disability?

I hear you.
In my case I feel that my kids playing up and disrespecting any adult is a case of letting me down. By behaving that way, they are giving the impression that I haven’t raised them well. They would be embarrassing me and showing me up if they behaved in this way.
However, I am in the minority to feel this way. On anecdotal evidence, parents in 2026 do not feel embarrassed by their children’s appalling behaviour and disrepect. Post Covid, they just get defensive and start lining up excuses.
Therefore, we need a further measure to make them realise that their child’s disrespectful conduct to staff and other young people is their problem. If embarrassment doesn’t work then being summoned to school might.
(Back in 2003 the first HT I worked for used to run Saturday morning detentions for PARENTS. But in those days the parents were actually ashamed by their kids being rude).

This already is happening in some school. Inept teachers unable to manage the class of 30 expel children for things like talking, picking up pen or not sitting straight. My son missed almost a year of English lessons because his teacher chose to remove all the boys from class as a precaution.

If you cant manage children you should not be a teacher.

So if a 5 year old talks three times in a day you want their doctor parent to cancel the days operations to pick them up. Or the teacher parent to abandon her class (and the education of 30 kids) for 24 hours. Yes, this plan does seem good.

It does not encourage anything because shit parents dont care about their kid being removed from lessons. same as with attendance - you can fine people as much as you like but there are always going to be parents who dont give a fuck.

I got a letter threatening a fine when my son was ill for one day. His classmate has not been to school for five weeks and his parents could not care less.

Yeah this doesn’t scan well

Or is it because most private schools weed out the pupils who won’t be able to comply with their rules?

I very much agree that well behaved children’s education is unfairly disrupted by poor behaviour of others.
Children with SEN should not be in the position where they are disrupting others - the government needs to put more money in to improve SEN provision and provide these children with an education in a more suitable environment.
Poorly behaved children should be removed from the classroom in order to let the other’s education continue. Quite where they should go to I have no idea? A supervised, quiet space where they have to do work outside of the class?
I really feel for the poor teachers nowadays: they have no chance to teach as they are spending such a lot of time managing behaviours- that shouldn’t be the case. I think anyone who goes in to teaching nowadays is very brave.

Children don’t want to misbehave (really no one does) it will be a psychological issue.
Pushback onto medical/psychiatric/psychological services.
Not sure secondaries are fit for purpose for many. That also needs revamping.

Oh so it's the teachers that are at fault for the children being rude , diisrespectful,and unable to concentrate because they have been brought up by cocomelon and tiktok.
Thank you for clearing that up!

You ate putting the emphasis on children and not the teachers. Yes, some kids are more disruptive the others - but its teachers job to make it work. Believe me, there is a very small number of children who are uncontrollable psychos.

Yep. Speaking from experience they are happy to take pupils with very mild SEN that won’t affect their results or disrupt the class.
Anything more significant is managed out into state schools.

@GoodChocolate - how do you deal with teenagers that disrupt on purpose so they can hang out somewhere else?

My son spends most days in a ‘quiet supervised space’ 🤣🤣🤣

It is actually a holding pen for all the kids who really need to be in a suitable educational setting, and nothing of the curriculum is taught there. They’re dumped there for their school years, in reality.

Good idea though.

Coco melon and TikTok didn’t exist when mine was at school.

try to do better.