To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

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Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

I’ve got two children who found/find school so awful it drove them both to suicide attempts. I’ll never be the same again tbh. Would you consider that punishment enough.

And then you’d be missing out on a high rate tax payer, by this plan and an incredibly dedicated and hard working teacher.

way to. go.

Some people here wants disabled kids sent away and put somewhere their “normal” kids dont habe to interact with them.

I dont tbink youve read my post.
The fines and poisecution are only a sanction if you dont turn up to pick your child up within 60 minutes.That has notbing go do with disability.

This is the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. 🙈😂 There are so many flaws in your plan.

My children are not disruptive. One has SEN which results in her being anxious at school, but at the age of 8, even she has empathy for many of those who are disruptive as she can clearly see they have an unmet need.

Give schools more funding to support those with a variety of needs and you'll find the disruptions reduces.

I am so sorry your children experienced this too. My heart goes out to you.

Genuinely though what is disability and what is bad behaviour? Does the latter not really exist any more? (I’m asking seriously)

THE JOB CENTRE MADE ME WORK OVER 90 MINUTES AWAY BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT.

You are aware that parents can be disabled, or is that something you haven’t realised? Lots of parents are also employed (maybe not where you live) and unless they had a helicopter it wouldn’t be physically possible to be at school within 60 minutes.

Both would get the message fo pick the kid up a.If neither showed up within 60 minutes both would be fined

My child (as was) is disagnosed with autism, adhd and a pda profile. The also have EDS and eczema and are coeliac and dairy intolerant. Is that good enough for you?

So you can’t see how it would disproportionately impact those with disabled children?

Even you are saying the root of the problem "can" be parenting...What about when it is not parenting?

The op is just doing what most ignorant people do, look for a simple (🙄) solution to a complicated problem and damn the consequences to anyone caught up in the sweeping generalisation and "hammer to crack a nut" solutions

How on earth you can hold all parents solely responsible for behaviour at school is beyond me. Since the child or young person is at school, what on earth is the parent supposed to do since they are not actually there

I had a child who behaved very badly at school and yet every single senco and teacher DH and I worked with told us they had never worked with such supportive, engaged parents . This is backed up by all the paperwork that we were given as a result of our freedom of information request for DS's records when he left school

At home DS was much much easier to manage, the opposite of parents on here who say their children are angels at school and a nightmare at home. Ds just found the school environment almost impossible to tolerate.

DH and I could not have been more supportive of the school and at home most of the behaviours the school complained about were not there .In the end the school environment was not the right place for DS. Something we tried with all our might to get changed but with no luck whatsoever as the council absolutely refused to place him somewhere else and the school just could not meet his needs despite trying their best.

I actually think had we been less supportive of the school and less collaborative, they might have given up earlier and recommended he be placed elsewhere, which would have been better for ds in retrospect.

So because I am (for example) on holiday and my ex doesn’t pick the kid up in 60 mins because he works all over the place, I get a fine.

how’s that fair

and how is the whole plan not ableist?

you do know how hard it is to get alternative provision for a bright child with autism and adhd dont you?

Yes and that is the whole point.That it IS very inconvenient for the oarent so they are motivated to improve their child's behaviour

Parents of SEN kids are selfish?!

Lets try targeting that at the government who binned off schools for kids like mine under the hilarious ‘presumption of inclusion’.

No because it doesn’t answer my question

How? What can they do to tackle the fact the system doesn’t work for their child?

There's a meme going around face book saying that the behaviour of one child should not prevent the education of 29 others. I agree with this.

I hear from teacher friends that they have to evacuate the classroom because one child has become violent.

No teacher should be forced to take back into her class a pupil who has been violent towards her. Teachers should not be afraid to go to work.

It is very hard to suspend or expel disruptive or violent pupils. The head should have the discretion for instant expulsion or suspension, after discussions with the staff.

Some parents are utterly feckless and forcing them to take responsibility may improve the lives of all the family.

Of course there should be better SEN provision but parents wanted their children in mainstream school, and the "special schools" were closed. I was on supply in such a school a long time ago and the work they do is amazing. All SEN children should have access to such an environment.

Such places are few and far between but the work they do is essential.

I can only speak for my child. In their case it was disability.

would you also want them excluded for scratching when their eczema was bad? Or having to go to the loo god knows how many times because they ate à food they didn’t know had one of their triggers in it?

I know that people will sometimes look at my child in school and think it’s my fault. It’s another thing to read it so baldly on a thread.

This is a disgusting thread really.

Maybe parenting has got worse, didnt used to be the level of problems you hear about now. That said, pretty sure teachers have got worse too, real lack of decent ones around that command their classroom anymore. Maybe its the changes in system, or maybe its just the calibre of people entering the profession now given the low earning potential.

Most parents have no chance of getting to a school in 60 minutes

I’m saying the council need to fund an alternative provision. Surely this is far more cost effective than having them in mainstream and 100% of the class simply not being properly educated, then not being able to get well paid jobs later in life due to their piss poor education, not to mention the anxiety induced by little Johnny and his penchant for punching.