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DS wants to quit his expensive hobbies but DH says absolutely not

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MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 20:56

ds is 12, year 8, and has told us he wants to quit both his hobbies. dh has said absolutely not. these aren’t £20 a month clubs either, they are swimming and motocross and we have spent a stupid amount on both. I agree with ds that he should be allowed to stop, which is why I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable. dh thinks I’m teaching him that he can give up when something gets difficult. We’ve had argument about it tonight and I don’t know what the right thing is.

ds genuinely did choose both of these and loved them, so it’s not us forcing him into something he never wanted. He started swimming at 7 because he was obsessed with being in the water, then lessons became squad training and eventually competitions. He was really excited by it all. Motocross started at 10 after dh took him to watch a friend’s son race and ds was completely hooked. He watched racing videos, talked about bikes constantly and couldn’t wait for race days. So I’m not pretending he’s always hated them.

I only added up the money recently and nearly choked tbh. Swimming and squad stuff is about £185 a month, then probably £70-100 petrol getting to meets, sometimes more. Motocross averages around £160 a month before bike parts and bike bits, tyres, race entries and all the kit. Wetsuits, goggles, boots, helmets, fuel, things that need replacing etc. We’ve had a couple of nights away for swimming too. I reckon £7-8k over the last two years, although some equipment could be sold. dh isn’t normally reckless with money, which is why this argument is awkward.

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race. He’s not refusing everything though. He goes to school, sees friends, plays football in the park and plays his xbox. It’s these two things he doesn’t want at the moment really.

dh says ds is 12 and doesn’t know what he wants. He thinks children reach a point where something gets boring and that we shouldn’t teach him quitting is the answer. He says ds could regret giving them up. He’s told him you don’t have to love everything you do and that we’ve made sacrifices for him. I really agree with perseverance though. I’m not against finishing things after a bad week. But ds has been doing swimming for years and motocross for two, and this really doesn’t feel like one bad week anymore.

What is getting to me is dh keeps saying “the money we’ve wasted”. I understand why he says it. It is a lot of money. But I don’t think ds should have to keep going just because we’ve already spent it. dh says if he quits now then all that money will have been wasted. I keep saying the money has already gone, whether ds swims on Saturday or not. I know that sounds easy when it isn’t just my money either. I earn less than dh and I know it.

We aren’t struggling, but we’re not sitting on thousands for hobbies either. We’ve got the mortgage, two cars because of work, bills and dd’s things. We could keep paying for this, but I’d rather put some of the money towards a holiday together, savings or replacing my car which is getting ancient. dh says we’d only waste it on something else. He’s not being horrible, he genuinely thinks paying for things and sticking at them teaches ds something. I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.

dh has suggested he finishes the current season. ds has already said he doesn’t want to compete anymore. dh says we can’t pull him out halfway through after paying membership and buying everything. Yesterday ds asked me if I could “just tell Dad I don’t want to do it anymore”. That got to me tonight and it upset me a lot. I really don’t want him feeling like he has to ask me to fight his corner, but I also don’t want to ignore what he’s actually saying.

dd has even said ds should be allowed to stop because “it’s his hobby”. She’s 9 and I’ve told her she’s not getting involved or taking sides. dh says that both children will learn they can give up. we could sell motocross stuff and get some money back, but dh doesn’t want to. He says ds might change his mind and then we’d have to buy everything again. I don’t know if keeping a bike and all the kit just in case makes sense to me tbh.

I’ve told dh I’m willing to pay ds’s remaining swimming fees for now if we need to, but I don’t want to keep paying for motocross if he genuinely doesn’t want it. dh says I’m undermining him and ds will learn nothing about commitment. is 12 old enough to say an expensive hobby he once loved isn’t for him? Especially when we’ve already spent the money. I really don’t know what to do about any of it at all.

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PissTakePeg · Yesterday 22:11

I've known a couple of families who invested heavily in their child's swimming, including money, early starts, training, competitions etc. In both cases, the DCs chose to quit around the age of 12, and in one case the father was absolutely furious and bullied the child into continuing, resulting in a strained relationship that lasted into adulthood. The other child's parents were disappointed as the child was doing well, but at the same time glad they didn't have to get up at 4 in the morning several times a week any more!

My own DC did a martial art for a few years but again around 11-12 got fed up and wanted to quit. I tried to encourage them to keep going (as I had just paid for their annual licences) but after a few months it was clear they were miserable and their interest was never going to return so I let them stop.

I think your DH has to accept that you DS has a mind of his own and if he's not loving it any more, to the point of asking you to speak to DH, then there's no point in forcing it. If his heart's not it then he won't do well any more anyway, then it really will be a waste of money.

Not sure why dads find it harder than mums to let things like this go, but it always seems to be the case.

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 22:14

I feel that this is one of the (very very few) times that it would be good for the DH to see this thread.

ETA I think he could also benefit from being educated about the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

XelaM · Yesterday 22:15

Motorcross sounds dangerous. I would let him quit if his heart is not in it.

Swimming I would continue with. Don't let him quit both. Sport is very important in teenage years and you don't want him replacing a sport that requires a lot of discipline and commitment with sitting on his Xbox.

My own daughter does a sport where she has had huge set-backs and many disappointments and heartbreak, but she persevered and she's a very resilient, disciplined, hard-working and ambitious teenager. Sport is very character-building.

Copperoliverbear · Yesterday 22:16

I would not force a child to do a hobby he is no longer interested in.

Forton26 · Yesterday 22:18

I dropped swimming and Karate at a similar age… maybe slightly older. It was four nights a week combined with high school and exams/gcse talk etc. I loved both but i wasn’t at a high standard for either and i wanted my time back. It wasn’t an issue and i did take up swimming again in my first 30s.

I don’t think anyone should be made to do this. Especially competitively it can be draining and time consuming. Sounds like the husband is the one wanting to do motocross and living through his son.

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 22:18

XelaM · Yesterday 22:15

Motorcross sounds dangerous. I would let him quit if his heart is not in it.

Swimming I would continue with. Don't let him quit both. Sport is very important in teenage years and you don't want him replacing a sport that requires a lot of discipline and commitment with sitting on his Xbox.

My own daughter does a sport where she has had huge set-backs and many disappointments and heartbreak, but she persevered and she's a very resilient, disciplined, hard-working and ambitious teenager. Sport is very character-building.

Why is it swimming v xbox?

A lot of kids that age love cycling, parcour/freerunning/skateboarding. Just because he wont be swimming doesnt mean that he wont be doing anything.

greenfingers2026 · Yesterday 22:19

I'd let him quit. I know why your DH may feel like it is money wasted but it really isn't. It was money invested in your son and I bet he is a strong swimmer now and healthier for it, and that motorcross gave him confidence and experiences he wouldn't otherwise have had. It may be he comes back to them, he may not, but by that kind of age i'm not sure forcing children to stick with something is worth it.

whippersnapper55 · Yesterday 22:19

There's no point in forcing a child to compete if his hearts not in it. He'll just come to resent you both and be miserable. It sounds like the pressure to compete has drained his enthusiasm for something he used to enjoy. There's enough pressure on kids with school and exams, hobbies should be something they enjoy and want to do. You're going to have to be firm and advocate for your son, because your DH sounds pig-headed and devoid of empathy.

Instructions · Yesterday 22:20

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race

Your son has spent six months showing and telling you that he does not want to take part in these activities. You have not mentioned him flat out refusing so he has still being doing them- but not wanting to do them or enjoying them. It is ridiculous to continue to insist that he does. There is no benefit to anyone in forcing him to do so.

bellhawk · Yesterday 22:20

DH is living his dream through your son. You need to put a stop to that before it ruins their relationship altogether. Let your son enjoy hobbies - with no end game, no purpose, no goal. Time spent enjoying yourself is never wasted.

The money argument is between you as a couple. Your son did not tell you to spend £x on the hobby. You decided to do that.

oneoffname · Yesterday 22:21

Many years ago, as a youi, DH swam competitively. He was good - his trainer was an England swimming coach and suggested strongly that DH could go 'all the way'. But at 13 years of age, DH decided he had had enough of the early starts, swimming before and after school, not having time to kick a ball around with his mates and felt he was missing out on a lot of teenage fun. He spoke to his dad who had been the one to take him to training as well as competitions. His dad agreed that if his heart wasn't in it, DH could stop. No recriminations at all. DH continued to play various sports, and for many years was the only person to have represented his school at every competitive sport for boys. He is in his 70's now, doesn't regret giving up serious competition and has nothing but praise for the way his dad allowed him to stop when he wanted to. Your DH needs to seriously consider whether forcing your son to continue competing is potentially worth spoiling their relationship.

Julietta05 · Yesterday 22:21

For me it is important to teach kids preservience and commitment but equally they need to learn how to listen to themselves. It is really hard question to answer: 'what do you actually want and what gives you satisfaction in life'. As much as commitment- equally important is to know how to draw a line, count your losses and to move on. We need to teach kids when to leave bad friendship, abusive relationship or dreadful party. They need yo know and answer questions: 'what did I initially enjoy about it?', what did I get out of it? Does it bring anything to my life? There is no point in watering dead flowers.
I think your son is very brave amd mature vocalising his feelings and your husband needs to accept it. I don't understand the argument about wasted money? What did your husband think would be the outcome so that the money would not be wasted? Olympic medal? Champion? For whom him or your son?

I think all those hobbies gove opportunities to know what is for your child and what is not. There were no strings attached when he started the hobbies, nooned said that he would need to continue for another 10 years.

Peachy2005 · Yesterday 22:21

@MauveBiscuit You will never forgive yourself if your H forces your DS to continue with motocross and he gets injured. Sorry to be dramatic but he could end up in a wheelchair for life… so for the love of God, put a stop to that immediately since he has requested it. These are both sports that your son could get back into later in life if he so chooses so it’s not the end of the world as your H is making out. Honestly I think your H needs therapy and your son needs you to advocate for him. Stop letting your H push everyone around: he is being a bully and is probably at least part of the reason your son had stopped enjoying his sports. Good luck!

NestaVipaz · Yesterday 22:21

Dozer · Yesterday 21:12

& the money wasn’t wasted if DS gained skills and had good times.

This. Your DH is caught up in the sunk cost fallacy.

Agapornis · Yesterday 22:24

Your DH is an arse and a bully.

Let your DS take a break. You can tell you DH it's temporary. No child wants a burn out age 13.

Hobbies should be fun.

Bromatic · Yesterday 22:24

Most swimmers stop round then. It’s a great sort but serious swimming is largely incompatible with life. I swopped it out for boys and books and enjoyed both immensely. The beauty of the sport is that it never leaves you so old and fat as I am I am still more seal than land lubber and can still scare the young male triathletes in the pool. I planned my whole holiday this year around swimming and spent about four hours a day swimming. It was beautiful. That was worth whatever my parents paid all those years ago.

RafaFan · Yesterday 22:25

Is it the competition aspect that he doesn't like? My son isn't competitive at all, and hated a mountain bike racing thing which my daughter loves. He loves just riding his bike though. It's a shame that so many activities for kids are competitive and taken so seriously, rather than just for the enjoyment of doing it.

Have you had a chat with him to make sure there's no kind of hazing or bullying going on? He's the prime age for it.

I expect there is a good secondhand market for most of the gear, so you should be able to recover some of the cash. Other than that, the expenses over the years are a sunk cost, and shouldn't really factor into the decision.

Realistically, your son was probably not destined to be the next Carl Fogarty or Ian Thorpe (because only a tiny percentage ever make it), so it's not like they were an investment in his future career as a top sportsman. They have been an investment in his development as a functioning human being though, so it's not been in vain.

I would let him give them up as he's clearly hating them, and he has given it a good shot.

jackstini · Yesterday 22:25

I think your DH is thinking more about himself - HE will miss the races etc!

Your Ds does still like to ride & swim - but all the races and meets have taken away the fun part
Your DH shouldn’t be using Ds to live his life vicariously

It’s not money wasted, he’s had a great time over the years, kept fit, is safe in water etc. Plus has some wonderful memories. If he’s forced to carry on when he doesn’t want to, it could make him actually grow to resent the hobby and his Dad

You are right to consider workload at school too. Not a chance he would cope with GCSE workload with the number of hours he is currently spending on hobbies

I know a bit how it feels - dd did violin & piano for years, and I loved watching her performances - solo and with orchestras

Covid forced a break, and she never went back to it. However, she says she would not have been able to cope with school if she still had all the lessons, rehearsals, performances etc. She was 14, but made that decision and we supported it

Do I miss the concerts? sometimes
Might she go back to it one day? maybe
Do I regret money spent? No, she really enjoyed it at the time and stuck at it for a few years

Don’t force your Ds to do something he has already mentally checked out of. No point spending money on something he no longer loves
He’s put the work and the years in - time for a bit of a break/reset

theblame · Yesterday 22:25

bellhawk · Yesterday 22:20

DH is living his dream through your son. You need to put a stop to that before it ruins their relationship altogether. Let your son enjoy hobbies - with no end game, no purpose, no goal. Time spent enjoying yourself is never wasted.

The money argument is between you as a couple. Your son did not tell you to spend £x on the hobby. You decided to do that.

Exactly that. You could say he can stop but he has to do something he’s interested in - climbing, DIY course, basketball…
as an adult I do bouldering, netball, pole fitness, aerial hoop… I’m not the best at any of them but I do them for social stuff, exercise and fun. When a hobby stops being fun it’s time to try something else. You can always go back to it

I quit horses after my horse was PTS and didn’t go near one for well over a decade. It was driving home from work and seeing someone riding on a lovely sunny day that had me cry by the side of the road and start again. I don’t regret quitting, it was the right thing at the time

TruffleSlinky · Yesterday 22:26

The money argument is ridiculous. Does DH think DS is going to swim for England? If not, he will give up sometime even if not now, so it would always have been a waste of money!

I'd let him give up but I would want to make sure he's still being active and not just sitting on the Xbox for hours.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · Yesterday 22:27

MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 21:22

I do think dh is more into the motocross tbh. He likes watching it and knows a lot more about the bikes than I do. He says he only got ds into it because ds wanted to though, which is true, ds was absolutely mad for it at first.

I hadn’t really thought about dh sucking the fun out of it but maybe. The racing has definitely become a much bigger thing. ds used to just love riding and now every conversation seems to be about the next race, whether he’s trained enough, what position he came etc. I think that’s probably part of why he’s fed up.

And yes I keep saying the money wasn’t wasted because ds did enjoy it! It’s not like we’ve paid £8k for nothing and he’s never used any of it. He had some brilliant times with it. I think dh just can’t get past how much we’ve spent.

I did suggest just riding without racing but dh says that’s not really the point of doing motocross and ds says if he could just ride with his friends he’d actually enjoy it. So we are going round in circles really. And yes I feel awful being in the middle of it, especially when ds is asking me to tell his dad for him.

So this is very much DH pushing him.

He did enjoy it

But doesn't want to compete

Please advocate for your son. There is more to life than being forced into hobbies you no longer enjoy!

ImarriedTravis · Yesterday 22:31

Its the cost sunk fallacy
If you went to the cinema and spent £50 on tickets and snacks, started the film and it was DIRE but you still had 2 hours and 45 mins to go - would you stay because you have spent the money? Or leave because you didn't wish to waste the next 2 hour 45 mins on dross?

The sunk cost fallacy is the irrational habit of continuing an endeavour because you have already invested time, money, or effort into it, even when walking away is the more logical choice

Chilly80 · Yesterday 22:31

Does/did your DH have a hobby he quit?

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 22:33

Chilly80 · Yesterday 22:31

Does/did your DH have a hobby he quit?

I can't help thinking that for whatever reason (time or money) he wasnt able to take up the hobby he wanted to (MX by any chance?) and he is living through his son.

Mumofoneandone · Yesterday 22:33

Is it the competition element that your son is struggling with?
Maybe your son could drop one of the hobbies and see how he gets on.
He can also pick them up again in the future if he wishes.
Carrying on paying for activities he doesn't want to take part in is where the waste of money is, not paying over the years for something he enjoyed.
I rowed as an adult, and although I raced occasionally, it was the rowing I enjoyed, rather than the competition.

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