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DS wants to quit his expensive hobbies but DH says absolutely not

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MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 20:56

ds is 12, year 8, and has told us he wants to quit both his hobbies. dh has said absolutely not. these aren’t £20 a month clubs either, they are swimming and motocross and we have spent a stupid amount on both. I agree with ds that he should be allowed to stop, which is why I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable. dh thinks I’m teaching him that he can give up when something gets difficult. We’ve had argument about it tonight and I don’t know what the right thing is.

ds genuinely did choose both of these and loved them, so it’s not us forcing him into something he never wanted. He started swimming at 7 because he was obsessed with being in the water, then lessons became squad training and eventually competitions. He was really excited by it all. Motocross started at 10 after dh took him to watch a friend’s son race and ds was completely hooked. He watched racing videos, talked about bikes constantly and couldn’t wait for race days. So I’m not pretending he’s always hated them.

I only added up the money recently and nearly choked tbh. Swimming and squad stuff is about £185 a month, then probably £70-100 petrol getting to meets, sometimes more. Motocross averages around £160 a month before bike parts and bike bits, tyres, race entries and all the kit. Wetsuits, goggles, boots, helmets, fuel, things that need replacing etc. We’ve had a couple of nights away for swimming too. I reckon £7-8k over the last two years, although some equipment could be sold. dh isn’t normally reckless with money, which is why this argument is awkward.

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race. He’s not refusing everything though. He goes to school, sees friends, plays football in the park and plays his xbox. It’s these two things he doesn’t want at the moment really.

dh says ds is 12 and doesn’t know what he wants. He thinks children reach a point where something gets boring and that we shouldn’t teach him quitting is the answer. He says ds could regret giving them up. He’s told him you don’t have to love everything you do and that we’ve made sacrifices for him. I really agree with perseverance though. I’m not against finishing things after a bad week. But ds has been doing swimming for years and motocross for two, and this really doesn’t feel like one bad week anymore.

What is getting to me is dh keeps saying “the money we’ve wasted”. I understand why he says it. It is a lot of money. But I don’t think ds should have to keep going just because we’ve already spent it. dh says if he quits now then all that money will have been wasted. I keep saying the money has already gone, whether ds swims on Saturday or not. I know that sounds easy when it isn’t just my money either. I earn less than dh and I know it.

We aren’t struggling, but we’re not sitting on thousands for hobbies either. We’ve got the mortgage, two cars because of work, bills and dd’s things. We could keep paying for this, but I’d rather put some of the money towards a holiday together, savings or replacing my car which is getting ancient. dh says we’d only waste it on something else. He’s not being horrible, he genuinely thinks paying for things and sticking at them teaches ds something. I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.

dh has suggested he finishes the current season. ds has already said he doesn’t want to compete anymore. dh says we can’t pull him out halfway through after paying membership and buying everything. Yesterday ds asked me if I could “just tell Dad I don’t want to do it anymore”. That got to me tonight and it upset me a lot. I really don’t want him feeling like he has to ask me to fight his corner, but I also don’t want to ignore what he’s actually saying.

dd has even said ds should be allowed to stop because “it’s his hobby”. She’s 9 and I’ve told her she’s not getting involved or taking sides. dh says that both children will learn they can give up. we could sell motocross stuff and get some money back, but dh doesn’t want to. He says ds might change his mind and then we’d have to buy everything again. I don’t know if keeping a bike and all the kit just in case makes sense to me tbh.

I’ve told dh I’m willing to pay ds’s remaining swimming fees for now if we need to, but I don’t want to keep paying for motocross if he genuinely doesn’t want it. dh says I’m undermining him and ds will learn nothing about commitment. is 12 old enough to say an expensive hobby he once loved isn’t for him? Especially when we’ve already spent the money. I really don’t know what to do about any of it at all.

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Puffergalatics · Yesterday 21:17

Hobbies are supposed to be enjoyable, if he’s not enjoying them let him stop. He’ll find something else he loves. His swimming skills will be with him for life, no wasted money there. Maybe he’ll come back to motocross when he’s older.

Give him the opportunity to explore other things.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:18

Competitive swimming is such a huge commitment that if his heart’s not in it then everyone is going to be miserable - and it will only get worse. It’s not money wasted, it’s a life skill and he may choose to come back to it later.

If he still enjoys being in the water and wants to do something sporty but less intensive, then try a lifesaving club.

Alittlefrustrated · Yesterday 21:19

The only wasted money would be if you forced him to continue. Money spent wasn't wasted - he enjoyed the activities then.

Monvelo · Yesterday 21:20

I'm team quit. It's not a waste of money if he's enjoyed the hobbies for years. If it's not ok for him to quit at 12 then when IS ok for him to quit? In your dh's opinion. 13, 15, 27? It's hard work doing one hobby that involves training and competing, let alone 2. Maybe he's started to get more nervous now he's older. Maybe he wants to try other things. Maybe he wants to chill out more. I had horses from 8-18 when I quit cold turkey and have only ridden a couple of times since. The fun had completely gone out of it for me. It's supposed to be fun.

Ineffable23 · Yesterday 21:20

Are there options to allow him to keep going with either/both but without doing them competitively? So he can still go swimming twice a week or so Motocross but with no one going on about the next race.

MrsAmaretto · Yesterday 21:20

The competitive aspect of teen sports leads to lots stopping, regardless of the sport. It stops becoming fun, they are very aware that they are not winning, are unlikely to win despite what parents say and they also become self conscious.

Your child is clearly a very competent swimmer - is that not good enough? Clearly that has been money well spent. I’d see out the block in both and then stop.

MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 21:22

I do think dh is more into the motocross tbh. He likes watching it and knows a lot more about the bikes than I do. He says he only got ds into it because ds wanted to though, which is true, ds was absolutely mad for it at first.

I hadn’t really thought about dh sucking the fun out of it but maybe. The racing has definitely become a much bigger thing. ds used to just love riding and now every conversation seems to be about the next race, whether he’s trained enough, what position he came etc. I think that’s probably part of why he’s fed up.

And yes I keep saying the money wasn’t wasted because ds did enjoy it! It’s not like we’ve paid £8k for nothing and he’s never used any of it. He had some brilliant times with it. I think dh just can’t get past how much we’ve spent.

I did suggest just riding without racing but dh says that’s not really the point of doing motocross and ds says if he could just ride with his friends he’d actually enjoy it. So we are going round in circles really. And yes I feel awful being in the middle of it, especially when ds is asking me to tell his dad for him.

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Jimmyjumpy · Yesterday 21:22

Perhaps he needs a complete break from both . He wii probably then choose one to go back to.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:22

Can I ask what hobbies your dd does?

both his hobbies are very time consuming so I can understand why he wants to stop - he is going to have important exams in a few years to focus on too

its not a waste of money because he enjoyed it while he was doing it and it sounds very much like your DH is living through him vicariously on the motocross. Does he want to be that dad?

TheMessyMermaid · Yesterday 21:23

I wonder if he was given the option of doing the hobbies without competing would he change his mind?
It sounds like your DS enjoys the hobby aspect but your DH is pushing him into competition which is making it more of a chore than fun.
Why does he need to compete?
Why can't he just go swimming with his friends rather than a strict regime?
Why can't he just go to the track on his motocross bike and have fun?
Your DH sounds like a glory hunter and a thief of joy

MrsBatshitRatshit · Yesterday 21:24

It is not compulsory to have any official hobbies or to compete in any out of school activity. Swimming in particular is something you can drop for a bit and take up again when you are ready.

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:25

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Yesterday 21:12

The motocross is dad’s thing I think. Swimming isn’t anywhere near as expensive. Both can be retrieved as hobbies later if DS wants. These two are far too full on surely? What about school sport? Is there time for this? I’d suggest he stops one but keeps one going.

They are both competitive sports too. They might mean he’s continually losing. Maybe he’s less competitive than his dad would like him to be? Maybe he’d like team sports more? Swimming and motocross aren’t really team sports.

Competitive swimming for teens is insanely expensive - 10 years ago I reckon it was at least £8k a year, when you add in training fees, competition fees, kit, travel, accommodation for away meets, training camps - plus the time sucked out of family life when you’re managing 8 training sessions a week plus weekends away. And it is definitely a team sport - you train and socialise with your squad and often pull out best performances on team relays.

Cornishclio · Yesterday 21:25

I don’t think kids should be forced to spend their free time doing things they don’t like. The money hasn’t been wasted. He has enjoyed the hobbies but no longer wants to do them. Lots of kids try something then give up and you should look at it that he enjoyed those things at the time. I think your DH forcing him will damage their relationship and he will resent him. Seems like a trivial thing to force him to do swimming. When is your DH willing to let him stop? Does he have to carry on until an adult. That’s ridiculous.

Ineedanewsofa · Yesterday 21:26

I walked away from competitive swimming at that age, the training, the early starts, the pressure, always being tired, the conflict with school activities, I started hating it.
We all knew I wasn’t going to be an Olympian so I finished the season and left club swimming entirely. I didn’t swim (other than on holiday) again until my early 20s when I rediscovered the joy of being in the water.
Yr7/8 is a really common point for kids to drop hobbies, they start to realise the commitment it needs to take anything to a higher level and most don’t have the drive, the love or the talent.
Also, introduce your DH to “sunk cost fallacy” as he’s in danger of throwing good money after bad by forcing a child into sports they aren’t enjoying

mumumental · Yesterday 21:26

Motorcross is dangerous. He should be able to stop.

Aluna · Yesterday 21:27

If it was an instrument I’d say no. But he’s got the rest of his life to swim and ride motorbikes. He will have got to a good standard in both so I don’t see the problem with giving up. He may not like the competitive aspect.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 21:28

I would take advantage of saving the money and not spending it any more, either save it or spend it on something else for the family

Things dont stay the same forever, people grow out of things, hes done these things for years. I got a headache and felt anxious just reading the OP about sitting the car dreading the evening or day at the hobby, how stressful.

He can either pick it up again if he misses it or start something new

Aluna · Yesterday 21:29

I did suggest just riding without racing but dh says that’s not really the point of doing motocross and ds says if he could just ride with his friends he’d actually enjoy it. So we are going round in circles really

You’re not really going round in circles. DS has told you what he wants and you’re not listening. He just needs to be allowed to ride or swim with his mates.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:29

This is a tricky age with boys and their dads. Dad needs to accept that his son is growing into his own person and is starting to want some autonomy. Being dictatorial with him over this and not listening to him is going to set up some really tricky teenage years

SailingYachty · Yesterday 21:31

I don’t know why you would force a child into doing a hobby, how about position it as taking a break, he could always change his mind potentially and restart. Otherwise to me it just reinforces that your parents are dictators and don’t listen to you. I think especially during teen years it’s important to show children they can make decisions and experience consequences.

TheMessyMermaid · Yesterday 21:32

Sorry but I think you need to have your son's back here, your DH is being massively unreasonable.
Your son has openly said he would have fun if he could just go ride with his mates but your DH (who you admit is Motocross obsessed) has told him that's not the point and yet you say you keep going in circles. Why!?
Tell your husband to back off and let your son enjoy his hobby the way he wants. If your husband wants to race then let him do it himself but don't let him force your son into doing something he doesn't want to. Your DH sounds like a bully and the fact your son is having to ask you to tell him sounds like he's scared of him. Please stand up for your son, he needs your support

Cornishclio · Yesterday 21:32

Your DH sounds like he has a weird obsession with money. You talk like he has a bigger say because he earns more so that is not a good dynamic and neither is your DS asking you to intervene. Your DH sounds like a bully and he is making your DS do these hobbies because the competitiveness appeals to him and he is living through your DS. That isn’t great

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 21:34

He's 12. He should get a say in what activities he does or doesn't do. Your husband is thinking of sunk cost but the money's gone. There's not going to be a return on it. Your son sounds burned out and that needs to be respected.

I'd ditch the motocross first. It's much riskier than swimming and if he's bored and not concentrating, well, he's more likely to get injured.

Swimming, it depends. If he can cut back and drop competition, I'd go with that just because he's used to a lot of exercise and will be full of energy with no outlet if he quits that too. When he finds a other active hobby, he can quit swimming and do that.

ds says if he could just ride with his friends he’d actually enjoy it.

Your husband is living vicariously through your son and that's very unhealthy.

AmnesiacDream · Yesterday 21:35

I'm somewhat with DH if he wasn't moaning about them before the start of the current season. If you're paying out at the start of the season for something he has asked to do, I think expecting him to stick with it until the end of that commitment is reasonable (unless it's down to bullying or some other change in circumstance). But it sounds like he hasn't wanted to do the swimming at least for a lot longer than the start of this season, which makes a big difference to me.

MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 21:35

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 21:22

Can I ask what hobbies your dd does?

both his hobbies are very time consuming so I can understand why he wants to stop - he is going to have important exams in a few years to focus on too

its not a waste of money because he enjoyed it while he was doing it and it sounds very much like your DH is living through him vicariously on the motocross. Does he want to be that dad?

dd doesn’t really do much tbh. She does a little dance thing through school once a week and that’s about £25 a month. She likes it but she’s never been bothered about competitions or anything like that. She’d probably happily spend every evening drawing and watching tv if we let her 😂

I hadn’t thought about the exams thing actually. He’s only year 8 so I don’t want to get carried away with that yet, but obviously the workload is going to increase and both of these take up loads of his weekends.

I don’t think dh is deliberately living through him but I can see why you say it. He definitely gets more excited about motocross than I do and he’ll happily spend ages looking at bikes and talking about races. He keeps saying it’s ds’s thing though, and like I said ds really did love it at first, so I don’t want to make out dh forced it on him when he didn’t.

I think the problem is dh just can’t accept that ds has changed his mind. He keeps saying “he’ll thank us when he’s older” and I’m not convinced about that tbh.

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