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DS wants to quit his expensive hobbies but DH says absolutely not

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MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 20:56

ds is 12, year 8, and has told us he wants to quit both his hobbies. dh has said absolutely not. these aren’t £20 a month clubs either, they are swimming and motocross and we have spent a stupid amount on both. I agree with ds that he should be allowed to stop, which is why I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable. dh thinks I’m teaching him that he can give up when something gets difficult. We’ve had argument about it tonight and I don’t know what the right thing is.

ds genuinely did choose both of these and loved them, so it’s not us forcing him into something he never wanted. He started swimming at 7 because he was obsessed with being in the water, then lessons became squad training and eventually competitions. He was really excited by it all. Motocross started at 10 after dh took him to watch a friend’s son race and ds was completely hooked. He watched racing videos, talked about bikes constantly and couldn’t wait for race days. So I’m not pretending he’s always hated them.

I only added up the money recently and nearly choked tbh. Swimming and squad stuff is about £185 a month, then probably £70-100 petrol getting to meets, sometimes more. Motocross averages around £160 a month before bike parts and bike bits, tyres, race entries and all the kit. Wetsuits, goggles, boots, helmets, fuel, things that need replacing etc. We’ve had a couple of nights away for swimming too. I reckon £7-8k over the last two years, although some equipment could be sold. dh isn’t normally reckless with money, which is why this argument is awkward.

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race. He’s not refusing everything though. He goes to school, sees friends, plays football in the park and plays his xbox. It’s these two things he doesn’t want at the moment really.

dh says ds is 12 and doesn’t know what he wants. He thinks children reach a point where something gets boring and that we shouldn’t teach him quitting is the answer. He says ds could regret giving them up. He’s told him you don’t have to love everything you do and that we’ve made sacrifices for him. I really agree with perseverance though. I’m not against finishing things after a bad week. But ds has been doing swimming for years and motocross for two, and this really doesn’t feel like one bad week anymore.

What is getting to me is dh keeps saying “the money we’ve wasted”. I understand why he says it. It is a lot of money. But I don’t think ds should have to keep going just because we’ve already spent it. dh says if he quits now then all that money will have been wasted. I keep saying the money has already gone, whether ds swims on Saturday or not. I know that sounds easy when it isn’t just my money either. I earn less than dh and I know it.

We aren’t struggling, but we’re not sitting on thousands for hobbies either. We’ve got the mortgage, two cars because of work, bills and dd’s things. We could keep paying for this, but I’d rather put some of the money towards a holiday together, savings or replacing my car which is getting ancient. dh says we’d only waste it on something else. He’s not being horrible, he genuinely thinks paying for things and sticking at them teaches ds something. I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.

dh has suggested he finishes the current season. ds has already said he doesn’t want to compete anymore. dh says we can’t pull him out halfway through after paying membership and buying everything. Yesterday ds asked me if I could “just tell Dad I don’t want to do it anymore”. That got to me tonight and it upset me a lot. I really don’t want him feeling like he has to ask me to fight his corner, but I also don’t want to ignore what he’s actually saying.

dd has even said ds should be allowed to stop because “it’s his hobby”. She’s 9 and I’ve told her she’s not getting involved or taking sides. dh says that both children will learn they can give up. we could sell motocross stuff and get some money back, but dh doesn’t want to. He says ds might change his mind and then we’d have to buy everything again. I don’t know if keeping a bike and all the kit just in case makes sense to me tbh.

I’ve told dh I’m willing to pay ds’s remaining swimming fees for now if we need to, but I don’t want to keep paying for motocross if he genuinely doesn’t want it. dh says I’m undermining him and ds will learn nothing about commitment. is 12 old enough to say an expensive hobby he once loved isn’t for him? Especially when we’ve already spent the money. I really don’t know what to do about any of it at all.

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LGBirmingham · Today 05:52

I think the start of puberty is a really common age to want to stop swimming. I was the same, I swam several times a week, non-competatively, all through primary and did my life saving training. But then I just really didn't want to do it any more. I've rediscovered an enjoyment for it again now with my own child. I've no regrets!

I carried on with my two other early hobbies through Secondary and one of them I studied at university and was a career in my 20s. Until doing it as a job took the joy away for me and now it's an occasional hobby instead. I think it's hard to feel passionate about one thing for a long time!

Maybe let him stop one of them and keep going with the other For a bit longer? Perhaps the competitions are sucking the joy out of it for him?

Malasana · Today 05:57

Poor kid. He’s done them, enjoyed them, no longer does so let him stop. He’s old enough to know he doesn’t want to do them anymore.
Forcing him to keep going will make him miserable a s resentful. How would you or your husband like to be forced into something to do in your leisure time that you don’t like anymore?
Let him give up both but maybe encourage him to continue swimming but on a casual basis and he may learn to enjoy it again.

MinnieMountain · Today 06:00

Your DS should be able to do what he wants. At that age, children very much know their own minds and are forming a clearer picture of themselves I think.

Our 12yo has tried various sports and given them up. We (me especially) were keen for him to find something that he enjoys for the exercise and the socialising. After he did a rowing course in August he told us that we need to accept that he's a nerd and he's not into organised sports. He cycles to school, so he gets regular exercise.

Gealach · Today 06:14

I tell mine they have to do a sport. Just because teenagers get so lazy generally, it’s not like they are actively playing like when they were small. Yet they still need an hour of proper exercise everyday.

But you have to let him choose: is he tired? Is he finding life a bit too much? Is he losing a lot? I think I’d chat to him and try and find out what is at the bottom of the problem and tell him to step out of one until he finds another sport or exercise he wants to do. He is probably very fit now and letting him give up both at the same time and letting his fitness go down the swanny may make him feel worse in the long run.

You’re right about the money. Sure we all spend money on hobbies that kids won’t do as adults.

Mamma22829 · Today 06:15

He’s stuck to both for a really long time. Presumably there were dull moments or hard work and each and he pushed through anyway. It’s not money down the drain - both were formative and taught him a great deal I expect. But now he’s advocating for himself - he shouldn’t be forced to keep going. Throwing more money at it at this point would be worse than money down the drain, it could be quite damaging if it’s not handled well.

I like the suggestion of letting him pick and continuing just one. Also couldn’t he take a break, give it 4 weeks or longer and see if he misses either, see what he picks up instead and if it makes him any happier.

Glittertwins · Today 06:19

Has something happened at either one or has he decided he’s seen the potential freedom that his friends have and would rather hang around mindlessly? I’ve seen both inside swimming.

Wingingit73 · Today 06:22

Stop the hobbies.

Twiglets1 · Today 06:27

FizzyColaBottle8 · Yesterday 21:00

I’d let him pick which one he likes best and drop the other. He can carry on the best one for another 6 months or so and see how he feels.

This.

@MauveBiscuit I would try to compromise with your husband by agreeing that your son will keep one but drop the one that he most wants to.

Agree that you will reassess in 6 months time where he is with the one he has stayed doing. Or at a time when a natural break would occur.

dreamingofgoodhair · Today 06:43

It’s not wasted money, he enjoyed the hobbies. He’s been doing them long enough they’re not just fads. Hobbies as children aren’t necessarily what we might enjoy as adults.

Velvian · Today 06:55

He needs to give up the motocross straight away. I imagine broken bones and worse are a possibility, which is one thing if the child involved actually wants to do it. Your DS may never forgive either of you if he has an injury incurred doing something you forced him to do @MauveBiscuit .

As for the swimming, what is DH's end game? The Olympics? Even if DS competes at that level, is that going to lead to financial success, career longevity and happiness, or is it going to hinder all of those things.

Your DH needs to get over it, it is DS's decision. Think of the money you'll save not what has been spent already.

DearCritic · Today 06:58

Does he do any other hobbies?
Boys really hobbies outside of school, they tend to get caught up in crime / manosphere? 2 seems like the minimum really.
I’d let him drop 1 as long as it’s swapped for something else. Then let him swap other hobby in 6 months / year.

Everydayimhuffling · Today 07:04

How can you possibly "finish" a hobby? Your son isn't suddenly put off by a bad day,so the perseverance angle doesn't make sense. Also, adults drop or change hobbies even if they've spent money on the gear! Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I'd let him drop at least 1 and look around to see if there are other sports or activities that he'd rather do.

There's people on here saying they wish their parents had pushed them to continue hobbies, so I just want to add that I'm really glad I was allowed to stop. I stopped piano, guitar, judo and Brownies and I'm not sorry that I stopped any of them. I enjoyed them for a bit and then I was done. As an adult I have other hobbies. I still work hard and persevere where I need to, but I also don't force myself to spend my free time doing something that I don't want to do.

Sassylovesbooks · Today 07:06

If you've paid a membership and pulling out mid-season/term isn't possible, then your son will have to continue until the end of season/term. Especially if pulling out now effects the entire team.

However, it sounds to me as if your son is being pushed by his Dad. Could it be that he's been pushed to the point, that the enjoyment in both has been lost? Could it be your husband is trying to live his life through your son...he didn't get these opportunities, and would have loved them, so it pushing your son?

You need to sit down with your husband and look at realistically, when it's possible for your son to stop. If he's committed himself to a swim and motocross team, and is expected for the season, then he needs to continue for that season. That's learning to follow through on commitments, he's agreed to. If at the end of the season, he doesn't want to continue, then that's fine.

You need to be mindful of the fact your son's homework level, the further up the school he travels, will ramp up. He may have problems trying to juggle two intense hobbies, homework and finding time to relax, becomes harder.

DaisyChain505 · Today 07:48

Advocate for your son and tell DH he has to listen to him and the races and competitions are to stop.

Your son has told you he’s unhappy, listen to him.

Vinculum · Today 07:55

Does anyone remember The Fast Show's 'Competitive Dad'? OP's DH sounds exactly like that - hectoring his son to continue taking part in sports just because HE deems it essential, not because the child wants to any more. I feel very sorry for your son, @MauveBiscuit - his plea to you to ask his dad if he can stop sounded so sad and desperate. It doesn’t sound as though his life is very enjoyable right now. Are you really OK with that, especially as it seems his sister isn’t put under the same sort of pressure? Why is he the one singled out to be some kind of performing wunderkind?

Ineffable23 · Today 07:57

MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 21:56

I can see what you mean about dd tbh. She hasn’t ever been pushed towards anything like this though, partly because she’s just not interested in that sort of thing.

ds does about 3 squad sessions a week at the moment plus meets, so it is a lot. He used to absolutely love the swimming though, honestly he couldn’t get enough of it. I have thought about asking if he could drop down to normal lessons or a fitness type class instead. That might actually be a good middle ground because he can still swim without all the racing and pressure.

The motocross is harder because dh is so invested in it. He keeps saying ds will miss it once it’s gone and that we’re throwing away something he worked hard at. But I do think the racing has taken over from the actual riding for him. He says he’d still like riding if there wasn’t a race attached to it, which is what makes me think maybe he really has just had enough of the competitive side.

And yes I hadn’t really thought of swimming as money wasted either because he has definitely got something from it. He can swim really well now and that was always important to me.

If he's sick of the competitive side but wants to keep it as a hobby and your DH is insistent he needs to keep competing, you DH is being manifestly unreasonable. Why do hobbies have to be competitive?

BeKhakiReader · Today 08:00

Stick up for your son, OP and don’t let his dad bully him into fulfilling his ambitions vicariously.

Passaggressfedup · Today 08:01

As long as the reason is not that he wants to spend all the extra time on the Xbox....sadly, that is often the drive and it's then a slop downwards.

I would encourage him to sign up for another activity and/or tell him that if he drops the activities, the time won't be replaced by being on his room on his Xbox the whole time.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · Today 08:21

DH is being a complete prat, frankly.

There is a middle ground between motocross racing and selling the bike and all the kit! Just let the poor kid enjoy it.
My aunt is like your DH, constantly pushing her kids to compete, show off, not letting them quit and living vicariously through them. As a result her DS doesn't speak to her and her DD has gone to the furthest uni she could find, dropped the sport entirely, and has no plans to move home ever. She was miserable, with a mother telling her she 'had to' keep doing it for hours a week. Utter madness.

Balloonhearts · Today 08:27

Competition sucks the joy right out of things. I ride horses and my brief dabble in dressage competition was enough to convince me I hated it. I love riding though, so I'm a happy hacker. I like polework in the school but competing? Nah. Not for me.

TeenLifeMum · Today 08:43

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Yesterday 23:06

What's wrong with hanging with mates in parks?! So teens have to be in clubs every night?

No, they don’t need clubs every night - it’s about balance, but they do need focus so they don’t drift. Occasional hanging in parks probably fine - not sure as mine wouldn’t be seen dead doing it as round here it’s the chavs who do that, but I think a hobby is really important for middle teens. Just my view having an 18yo and two 15yos.

strictlybusinessuntildecember · Today 08:59

I can see both points of view - he’s only done the motocross for 2 years so it IS wasted money to decide to quit now. But in all honesty signing him up to so much and going all in was a stupid thing to do in such a short time and you seemed to have sucked the joy out of it for him

the swimming - you’ve paid for the season from the sounds of it so I’d insist he completes that. Make it clear to your son about the financial cost of supporting these interests and that it’s also a commitment from you as well to constantly be ferrying him here there and everywhere so he needs to respect that commitment and complete what’s been paid for. And then you will re assess at the end of the season.

id also make it clear that if he quits both there will be no more hobbies for a while. That you and his dad have cheered him on and supported him doing things you both believe he enjoyed and joined at HIS request

I also do understand your husbands point of view - there is nothing worse than kids (and adults) who have fads and phases of joining groups/hobbies and not sticking with them and it does teach them that when things get hard or when the commitment becomes real that you can just quit

CandidLurker · Today 09:01

Poor kid. Maybe he’d like to try another sport but he doesn’t have time or headspace for it due to the swimming and motocross. I don’t understand the perseverance thing. They are meant to be hobbies. If he gives up the motocross you will have to warn him you will be selling all the kit and won’t be buying it again if he changes his mind.

when is he going to get time to do school work with 2 time consuming hobbies. It sounds like your DH likes the hobbies more than your son.

BunnyLake · Today 09:16

Unless he’s planning on being an Olympic swimmer why on earth does he have to carry that on? Assuming he can swim well that’s not going to leave him, and he can still do it recreationally.

Edit to say once the paid season is over.

My sons did the same but we didn’t go all in on expense so they gave up if they got fed up. One thing neither got fed up with was guitars. A relatively cheap hobby with no input from parents. They stuck with it of their own accord and are self taught.

Wickedwhiskers · Today 09:31

I don't think the money has been wasted up to now as hes presumably had some enjoyment from it. But the fact that hes doing 2 things to competition level seems a lot, and does he even want to enter competitions or just enjoy himself doing the activity?

Can he take a break from one or both of them for a while? And see how he feels in a few months time?