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DS wants to quit his expensive hobbies but DH says absolutely not

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MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 20:56

ds is 12, year 8, and has told us he wants to quit both his hobbies. dh has said absolutely not. these aren’t £20 a month clubs either, they are swimming and motocross and we have spent a stupid amount on both. I agree with ds that he should be allowed to stop, which is why I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable. dh thinks I’m teaching him that he can give up when something gets difficult. We’ve had argument about it tonight and I don’t know what the right thing is.

ds genuinely did choose both of these and loved them, so it’s not us forcing him into something he never wanted. He started swimming at 7 because he was obsessed with being in the water, then lessons became squad training and eventually competitions. He was really excited by it all. Motocross started at 10 after dh took him to watch a friend’s son race and ds was completely hooked. He watched racing videos, talked about bikes constantly and couldn’t wait for race days. So I’m not pretending he’s always hated them.

I only added up the money recently and nearly choked tbh. Swimming and squad stuff is about £185 a month, then probably £70-100 petrol getting to meets, sometimes more. Motocross averages around £160 a month before bike parts and bike bits, tyres, race entries and all the kit. Wetsuits, goggles, boots, helmets, fuel, things that need replacing etc. We’ve had a couple of nights away for swimming too. I reckon £7-8k over the last two years, although some equipment could be sold. dh isn’t normally reckless with money, which is why this argument is awkward.

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race. He’s not refusing everything though. He goes to school, sees friends, plays football in the park and plays his xbox. It’s these two things he doesn’t want at the moment really.

dh says ds is 12 and doesn’t know what he wants. He thinks children reach a point where something gets boring and that we shouldn’t teach him quitting is the answer. He says ds could regret giving them up. He’s told him you don’t have to love everything you do and that we’ve made sacrifices for him. I really agree with perseverance though. I’m not against finishing things after a bad week. But ds has been doing swimming for years and motocross for two, and this really doesn’t feel like one bad week anymore.

What is getting to me is dh keeps saying “the money we’ve wasted”. I understand why he says it. It is a lot of money. But I don’t think ds should have to keep going just because we’ve already spent it. dh says if he quits now then all that money will have been wasted. I keep saying the money has already gone, whether ds swims on Saturday or not. I know that sounds easy when it isn’t just my money either. I earn less than dh and I know it.

We aren’t struggling, but we’re not sitting on thousands for hobbies either. We’ve got the mortgage, two cars because of work, bills and dd’s things. We could keep paying for this, but I’d rather put some of the money towards a holiday together, savings or replacing my car which is getting ancient. dh says we’d only waste it on something else. He’s not being horrible, he genuinely thinks paying for things and sticking at them teaches ds something. I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.

dh has suggested he finishes the current season. ds has already said he doesn’t want to compete anymore. dh says we can’t pull him out halfway through after paying membership and buying everything. Yesterday ds asked me if I could “just tell Dad I don’t want to do it anymore”. That got to me tonight and it upset me a lot. I really don’t want him feeling like he has to ask me to fight his corner, but I also don’t want to ignore what he’s actually saying.

dd has even said ds should be allowed to stop because “it’s his hobby”. She’s 9 and I’ve told her she’s not getting involved or taking sides. dh says that both children will learn they can give up. we could sell motocross stuff and get some money back, but dh doesn’t want to. He says ds might change his mind and then we’d have to buy everything again. I don’t know if keeping a bike and all the kit just in case makes sense to me tbh.

I’ve told dh I’m willing to pay ds’s remaining swimming fees for now if we need to, but I don’t want to keep paying for motocross if he genuinely doesn’t want it. dh says I’m undermining him and ds will learn nothing about commitment. is 12 old enough to say an expensive hobby he once loved isn’t for him? Especially when we’ve already spent the money. I really don’t know what to do about any of it at all.

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Shatenoeuf · Yesterday 23:27

Amaura · Yesterday 23:10

The problem with most children’s activities in this country is they’re all set towards competing. There is little space for a child to take part in and enjoy an activity, especially sports, without the high pressure drive to competitions and strive for technical PBs and progression all the time.

I dont think thats true.DS plays at a tennis club and has friends there. This means when they come over, they will play tennis rather than being sat on screens. They also enjoy golf and will play a par 3 etc for fun. They also will go and support the 1st team at thr rugby club where they play juniors. Id rather they be doing this than be on phones/gaming/social media.

alondonerabroad · Yesterday 23:29

The sunken cost fallacy keeps us doing things we would rather not for years for fear of ‘wasting all that money’. If that’s your dh’s main argument I think he’s pushing ds for the wrong reasons. Let ds quit one of the hobbies or drop to riding without competing; you may find he enjoys it much more. My boys did gymnastics and football for years but both dropped gymnastics when they hit 13/14 and just weren’t getting the same enjoyment out of it. The eldest’s football team had become very competitive and many of the boys have dropped it or swapped to less intense clubs, especially now they’ve got girlfriends and exams coming up. There was a craze for golf and the gym which the youngest still does. The golf got dropped when he couldn’t progress as quickly as his friends who practiced a lot more. It was an opportunity to learn that practice and hard work pay off but he didn’t view it that way, unfortunately. I hated swimming once I hit puberty but got back into it later on. I bitterly regret not carrying on my music lessons; like a pp I have grade 1/2 in about 4 instruments but none I can play adequately any more.

Squiillionaire · Yesterday 23:31

This is about the age when they start to decide what they want to do. You have to accept that. DS now 21 stopped all sports hobbies in clubs around then.But it wasn't a waste. He swims like a fish. He is a great golfer and sailor. He just didn't want to do the forced club things anymore. He is 21 now. He does climbing, goes to the gym, can still sail and swim and play golf. You have given him choices of things to do and he will understand things like this are enjoyable. But it's time he picks his own activities. Which might be none at this point. Forcing him to carry on will just make him resent you and not want to do anything like that in the future.

SALaw · Yesterday 23:32

“He’s not being horrible”. Yes he is. Going on about money wasted. It’s not wasted - it has paid for a hobby your son enjoyed and which no doubt taught him many skills and life lessons. Now he doesn’t want to do it. At what point would it not be considered a waste of money to stop? Nothing short of Olympic gold? You need to woman up and tell your husband he is being ridiculous.

Treebaubles · Yesterday 23:34

Sounds like your DH has sucked the fun out of the hobbies. Yes, I’d let him quit. His heart obviously isn’t in it and he’ll become resentful.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 23:35

Let him choose another hobby. He shouldn’t have to stick with the same interests, he’s 12.

Besidemyselfwithworry · Yesterday 23:37

FizzyColaBottle8 · Yesterday 21:00

I’d let him pick which one he likes best and drop the other. He can carry on the best one for another 6 months or so and see how he feels.

This is a good idea
I don’t think forcing kids to do things is ever beneficial to anyone
my daughter did ballet from 3-8 and loved it but then just didn’t enjoy going and so we stopped - she has other hobbies but no point in flogging a dead horse!

NimbleNavyFinch · Yesterday 23:51

I was in your son’s position with swimming, 6 days a week including galas every Saturday and every conversation was about how to improve. Dad would tell folk how much I loved it and how proud he was. I had to sabotage my school work for a term to convince him of the effect it was having on my studies - something he valued above sport - then I could stop. I was 14. It took decades before I would swim again and only as an adult did I return to enjoying it. Yes, it affected my relationship with dad. It is already affecting your son but he will hide it from his dad, he will feel his father’s love and approval is intrinsically linked to his performance. This is a spiral that your DH will not win.

alrightgov · Yesterday 23:56

@MauveBiscuit it’s not wasted money, your DS will cherish those memories of swimming and motocross and it may be something he comes back to once he’s an adult due to his fond memories.

I remember as I got older in my hobby the fun just disappeared as soon as I began competing at a high level. Everything was so serious and the hobby that I once couldn’t wait to get to every week was gone. However, I’m still good at it, I have returned several times to it as an adult (for fun only) and took my daughter to weekly classes as soon as she could walk.

I think you risk your DS hating the sport if you force him.

Damsonjam1 · Yesterday 23:58

Your husband's argument about money wasted, apart from sessions paid for but not attended, is completely wrong. It's very unlikely that he would make a career in either swimming or motocross. Your son will be able to swim to a really good level, which is a great skill to have. I don't know much about motocross, but presume he would have learnt life skills there as well. As long as he's not replacing these activities with increased screen time, he shouldn't be pressured to continue.

Anononony · Today 00:02

I think it would depend on what he's wanting to do instead, if its screen time then I'd be saying he either keeps up with his clubs (but maybe the more fun sessions for MX rather than focusing on racing), or replaces them with something else.

I'm guessing DH is properly into the MX track family sort of life, we're in BMX and I get it, I would be gutted if my kid wanted to quit! But him being pushy and forcing the racing more than the fun is what will bite him in the arse, you can absolutely ride without competing, does he want him to just have medals to show for a couple of years or for him to actually stick with it long term, pressure can easily kill love for a sport

Blessedwisdom · Today 00:07

Sorry, haven't read every reply so might have been already mentioned... But how about suggesting a pivot with the swimming such as trying out something like waterpolo for a bit? It can be fun, or really competitive if you want it to be, but is much easier for stronger swimmers so tends to attract lots of ex competitive swimmers who've got fed up of lengths!

andfinallyhereweare · Today 00:10

The rule in our house is everyone does a sport (or an activity) it’s a commitment and they stick to it, just one though two time consuming things seems a bit much. I’d let him drop one but not both, and I’d be getting him to see out the season. Talk to him again and see what’s going on for him and which one he would be willing to keep on.

AuditAngel · Today 00:11

My daughters compete in karate, and also dance. DD1 is doing a BTEC in dance at college. If DS isn’t enjoying his hobbies, he should be allowed to stop. DD1 is taking a few weeks off karate as she is tired with back to college, having a social life and being in a play. Forcing him to keep going will make everyone miserable

2boyzNosleep · Today 00:14

What is the point of making DS carry on though?

You have said he clearly does not enjoy them anymore, and hasn't for the last 6 months.

They are hobbies, not compulsory.

HollyIvie · Today 00:16

if he’s not enjoying them anymore I don’t think it’s worth spending loads of money on them.

timestressed · Today 00:21

Your son can take his swimming skills into another sport, such as a triathlon or the modern pentathlon. You can also ask him what has changed. Is it that his friends are getting better because they are taller or stronger, or does he find training boring now? He may be comparing himself to his school friends who get to do other social things instead of training, making him feel left out.

CherryKerry · Today 00:21

I wad forced into swimming at weekends and ended up hiding in the changing room reading my book as I really started hating it.

Let him stop on the understanding that will close the door on the hobbies forever and sell all the Motocross gear.

Holidaymodeon · Today 00:23

MauveBiscuit · Yesterday 20:56

ds is 12, year 8, and has told us he wants to quit both his hobbies. dh has said absolutely not. these aren’t £20 a month clubs either, they are swimming and motocross and we have spent a stupid amount on both. I agree with ds that he should be allowed to stop, which is why I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable. dh thinks I’m teaching him that he can give up when something gets difficult. We’ve had argument about it tonight and I don’t know what the right thing is.

ds genuinely did choose both of these and loved them, so it’s not us forcing him into something he never wanted. He started swimming at 7 because he was obsessed with being in the water, then lessons became squad training and eventually competitions. He was really excited by it all. Motocross started at 10 after dh took him to watch a friend’s son race and ds was completely hooked. He watched racing videos, talked about bikes constantly and couldn’t wait for race days. So I’m not pretending he’s always hated them.

I only added up the money recently and nearly choked tbh. Swimming and squad stuff is about £185 a month, then probably £70-100 petrol getting to meets, sometimes more. Motocross averages around £160 a month before bike parts and bike bits, tyres, race entries and all the kit. Wetsuits, goggles, boots, helmets, fuel, things that need replacing etc. We’ve had a couple of nights away for swimming too. I reckon £7-8k over the last two years, although some equipment could be sold. dh isn’t normally reckless with money, which is why this argument is awkward.

Over the last six months ds has got reluctant. First it was that he was tired, then he started missing training, then he didn’t want to race. Now he says he doesn’t enjoy either. He sits in the car before swimming and asks how long he’s got left. Before motocross he gets tense if dh starts talking about the next race. He’s not refusing everything though. He goes to school, sees friends, plays football in the park and plays his xbox. It’s these two things he doesn’t want at the moment really.

dh says ds is 12 and doesn’t know what he wants. He thinks children reach a point where something gets boring and that we shouldn’t teach him quitting is the answer. He says ds could regret giving them up. He’s told him you don’t have to love everything you do and that we’ve made sacrifices for him. I really agree with perseverance though. I’m not against finishing things after a bad week. But ds has been doing swimming for years and motocross for two, and this really doesn’t feel like one bad week anymore.

What is getting to me is dh keeps saying “the money we’ve wasted”. I understand why he says it. It is a lot of money. But I don’t think ds should have to keep going just because we’ve already spent it. dh says if he quits now then all that money will have been wasted. I keep saying the money has already gone, whether ds swims on Saturday or not. I know that sounds easy when it isn’t just my money either. I earn less than dh and I know it.

We aren’t struggling, but we’re not sitting on thousands for hobbies either. We’ve got the mortgage, two cars because of work, bills and dd’s things. We could keep paying for this, but I’d rather put some of the money towards a holiday together, savings or replacing my car which is getting ancient. dh says we’d only waste it on something else. He’s not being horrible, he genuinely thinks paying for things and sticking at them teaches ds something. I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.

dh has suggested he finishes the current season. ds has already said he doesn’t want to compete anymore. dh says we can’t pull him out halfway through after paying membership and buying everything. Yesterday ds asked me if I could “just tell Dad I don’t want to do it anymore”. That got to me tonight and it upset me a lot. I really don’t want him feeling like he has to ask me to fight his corner, but I also don’t want to ignore what he’s actually saying.

dd has even said ds should be allowed to stop because “it’s his hobby”. She’s 9 and I’ve told her she’s not getting involved or taking sides. dh says that both children will learn they can give up. we could sell motocross stuff and get some money back, but dh doesn’t want to. He says ds might change his mind and then we’d have to buy everything again. I don’t know if keeping a bike and all the kit just in case makes sense to me tbh.

I’ve told dh I’m willing to pay ds’s remaining swimming fees for now if we need to, but I don’t want to keep paying for motocross if he genuinely doesn’t want it. dh says I’m undermining him and ds will learn nothing about commitment. is 12 old enough to say an expensive hobby he once loved isn’t for him? Especially when we’ve already spent the money. I really don’t know what to do about any of it at all.

‘I just think there comes a point where you’re paying to make a child miserable.’

you have summarised the situation in one sentence.
You don’t need to be ‘piggie in the middle’. You’re the adult co-parent. Your son is repeatedly articulating a need for some space and time out and a break or a change.

your husband is pushing against your son’s wishes and you don’t have to back him up on this, especially when you don’t seem to agree with him.
he sounds like a pushy dad and obsessive over achiever . That way madness lies.

kids get tired, they grow out of things. How many of us are still doing all the things we loved when we were ten years old?

The older they get the more expectations are placed on them at school. Your son is being really mature and honest in how he expresses his needs, this is very impressive for twelve years old.

your husband saying ‘he doesn’t know what he wants’ is disrespectful and reductive.
even your nine year old can see it. Presumably they inherited emotional intelligence from their mum…

get your husband to read about sunk cost fallacy and suggest he researches the impact of pushy parents on kids who often become anxious and overwhelmed adults.
mumsnet isn’t always the best barometer of what’s appropriate for children , there’s reams of research on this, this is the first article I found but there’s loads of evidence out there.
www.thechelseapsychologyclinic.com/blog/emdr-trauma/over-controlling-parents-in-adulthood/

4timesthefun · Today 00:26

I would let him quit those things but the agreement would be that they are replaced with a couple of other organised interests, not just kicking a footy casually with mates. It’s normal for kids to lose a bit of motivation at this age it seems, but pushing through and doing something is important. Otherwise the devil really does make work for idle hands!

viques · Today 00:30

The thing about swimming ( I know nothing about motorcross so can’t comment) is that it gets to a certain level when you either have to be exceptionally good to continue and get some personal feedback like actually winning out of it , ie swimming at a county/ national level, or accept that you are just there to make up the numbers in a club. I reckon your son has realised he is never going to be a national champion so doesn’t see the point of using up his free time driving all over the country, training for hours, going in for competitions and coming in fifth or sixth every time.I can’t blame him, it must be disheartening. He is also getting to the age when other things looks more attractive as activities, are more convivial and a bit more socially acceptable.

Many years ago we had friends where the father had just missed out on being a truly great swimmer. His kids started with swimming at an early age and were fabulous, but their hearts just weren’t in it so they gave up at about your sons age. Broke his heart, but it was his dream, not theirs.They still swim for pleasure, but that is it.

Itsthewoluff · Today 00:32

Poor kid. Neither have been 5 minute wonders. He’s given both of them a good crack of the whip. His interests now won’t be the same as when he was 7 or even 2 years ago at 10.

It’s not fair to force ds just because dh enjoys it. He can’t live vicariously through his ds. Why can’t he do it himself in his own right if it’s that important ?

BarbaraE · Today 00:34

It's unfair to force your child to carry on something they don't like your husband is being unreasonable I can understand about the money but it's one of those things I'm afraid

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 00:39

I’d be furious if my dh talked about wasted money for swimming!! Every child should do swimming, very few continue competitively but it’s never wasted money. Try saying slowly and clearly: excuse me what about the swimming cost is wasted? Do you think if he’s not elite level we should have just let him drown? He’s a strong swimmer that’s a core life skill and I don’t regret a penny. You need to stop making this about money and stop making it about you. He doesn’t want to compete in motocross. He’d happily go for a ride but you won’t let him do that. I am putting my foot down for my children’s sake here. He’s done both of these for years, and it’s not being a quitter to change his mind. I will talk to him about whether he wants to cut back and drop competing or quit altogether, and if there’s something else he’d like to do as for healths sake I think kids that age need some sport, you cannot be in that conversation if you’re going to make it about you. Personally I’m looking forward to seeing dd more and you spending some more time with dd as you were so invested in competitive motocross. Time to prioritise your children here, not just what you want.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 00:39

and dont sell the bike. Every child has a push bike and their parents don’t sell it if the child isn’t competing. He’s allowed hobbies where he doesn’t compete!!