What would the Left call the Right, if the small boat people were white?

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I'll start by saying, I am very anti open boarders, and I am horrified that so many illegal immigrants are arriving every day. But for me, it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour, it is more to do with :

ONE) They have no documentation, and we have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds

TWO) They tend to come from cultures where women are not respected

THREE) They often come from places where rape is not a crime

FOUR) They cannot work, and it is costing Millions to house, feed and clothe them

FIVE) We are granting asylum to some people who should never get it - like the Hamas bodyguard we heard of yesterday

Lots of valid reasons I feel, however, for me, it has nothing to do with skin colour. If I had to be locked in a room overnight with a white man from a backward culture, or a black man from the UK, I would choose the latter, every single time.

It isn't colour, it's culture

But I see that people on the Far Left just scream "Racist" to anyone who opposes illegal immigration. What would they scream, if all the small boats were full of white men? And would people still march for England?

Ok this is what I was asking. so having technology, electricity etc (and western clothes?!) = civilised? All the places refugees are coming from have these things. Cf: the Arab Spring. So why are people here arguing they’re less ‘civilised’ than British people?

Do you imagine that if you find a single example of someone who is racist but claims not to be, it proves that everyone who claims not to be racist actually is?

Otherwise, what point are you actually trying to make here?

Any particular line? Not something I noticed, which brings us back to personal anecdote. My aquaintance didn't notice the hordes leaving for Ceuta, I didn't notice the dead animals in the canals in Egypt that another aquaintance did, but I noticed the sexual harrassment I experienced.

You are hunky dory with the status quo in the UK, but many more are not, and they've had a few decades of not just being ignored but being villified, especially by the party that was ostensibly created to give them a voice.

There are many ways in which one culture can be more civilised than another. Technology is one, but others include treatment of women and LGBT people (as we've already covered, but which you're rather shy of talking about).

Why don't you list all the ways in which you think Afghan culture is more civilised than British culture?

On a similar note, Singapore and South Korea were both colonised. Both nations are doing rather well.

I could find plenty of other examples. I could perhaps even find examples on this thread but unluckily for me I would be deleted and probably banned if I did that.

What I trying to get to the bottom of is whether a racist claiming not to be racist mean they are not a racist? Because that seemed to be what you are implying.

Where am I supposed to have made any claims about a person's racism being based on that person's claims about their racism? Quote me.

As I’ve said several times I don’t think anyone is ‘more civilised’ than anyone else. Im not shy of discussing it at all - if you remember I tried to discuss the treatment of women/lgbt in more detail and understand what exactly you think defines ‘civilised’ in that context but you refused to engage because I mentioned history.

We weren't talking about rape on the tube. We were talking about sexual harrasment on the tube.

So you don't think that Britain is more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

You don't think that Britain is more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

Let the record show that @washingmysocks doesn't think that Britain is more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

Unbelievable. The suicide of the Left, in a nutshell.

Ok just to clarify do you think Afghanistan and the UK are pretty much the same for women and girls?

No particular line, it was a general warning to female students not to travel on the tube on your own later in the evening. I recall reading about a rape on the Northern Line (as memory serves anyway).

I was studying in the Wimbledon area - I went to Roehampton. Institute.

We were also warned against walking in Wimbledon Common on our own. Rachel Nickell’s murder took place during my time there.

No of course I don’t. But I don’t think it’s due to some inherent level of ‘civilisation ‘. I think it’s due to an appalling political situation, and I hope we in the UK can use our more privileged circumstances to support the victims of that situation as much as possible.

you’ve misunderstood my argument if you think I’m suggesting the Taliban are not horrific. I’m arguing about why it’s wrong to demonise asylum seekers, if you remember the OP?

see my response to EasternStandard. You’re completely and purposefully misunderstanding my point while avoiding actually explaining your own position.

That rang a bell with me @LizzieW1969 this might be before the time you mean, though. "The Railway Murderers".

TW: descriptions of rapes and murders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Duffy_and_David_Mulcahy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JohnDuffyandDavidMulcahy

It was your post re British society as a whole that made me question it. We do have many rungs to society from laws, to democracy and freedom of information that create a society that is different to Iran’s.

I don’t get how people say oh we’re bad too or post rape statistics as some rebuttal. It’s entirely obvious a girl is better off here than in Iran or Afghanistan.

Your response to EasternStandard does not mitigate anything about your belief that Britain is no more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

You believe that Britain is no more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

There's literally no point in engaging with you further, except perhaps to point out again that you believe that Britain is no more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

You do realise we are way beyond understanding racism as merely relating to biological race? Of course cultural racism (or cultural essentialism) - ie. denying a group's humanity or assigning negative behavioural traits based on their culture or nationality - functions the exact same way as traditional biological racism. It reduces millions of diverse individuals to a single, negative stereotype. It assumes that an individual's behavior is entirely predetermined by their origin, stripping them of individual agency.

Attributing the actions of a criminal minority to an entire national or cultural population is the very definition of racism.

Does this really still need explaining in 2026?

assigning negative behavioural traits based on their culture

So it's not possible to state that one CULTURE is better than another without it being "racist"?!

You guys are WILD.

If you say so.

Since you can’t define what you mean by civilised or seem to understand the difference between a culture and a political system then no, it’s not possible to debate this further.

You do realise we are way beyond understanding racism as merely relating to biological race?

Oh, "we" are, are "we"? And We Are Not Amused when the plebs think maybe the term "racism" should have something to do with, y'know, race?

Attributing the actions of a criminal minority to an entire national or cultural population is the very definition of racism.

Absolutely WILD. Just like the Left tried to decide to define "women" out of existence, now you're trying to redefine "racism".

You believe that Britain is no more civilised than Afghanistan in our treatment of women and LGBT people.

WILD.

I’m not sure you’ve been clear on this.