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What would the Left call the Right, if the small boat people were white?

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Blondiebeachbabe · 29/09/2026 13:19

I'll start by saying, I am very anti open boarders, and I am horrified that so many illegal immigrants are arriving every day. But for me, it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour, it is more to do with :

ONE) They have no documentation, and we have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds

TWO) They tend to come from cultures where women are not respected

THREE) They often come from places where rape is not a crime

FOUR) They cannot work, and it is costing Millions to house, feed and clothe them

FIVE) We are granting asylum to some people who should never get it - like the Hamas bodyguard we heard of yesterday

Lots of valid reasons I feel, however, for me, it has nothing to do with skin colour. If I had to be locked in a room overnight with a white man from a backward culture, or a black man from the UK, I would choose the latter, every single time.

It isn't colour, it's culture

But I see that people on the Far Left just scream "Racist" to anyone who opposes illegal immigration. What would they scream, if all the small boats were full of white men? And would people still march for England?

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EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 10:42

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:38

If you believe the latter is significantly more effective than the former, can you demonstrate this statistically?

There’s a figure below on IPV in Iran if you have a look. I’ve also linked a report on sexual violence in Iran.

Is it your view it would be pretty much the same in Iran and the U.K.?

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:45

Harry12345 · 30/09/2026 10:42

No there’s leaflets and classes for grown adult men regarding sexual assault being a crime. I am not saying they are all rapists, there will be lots of lovely people but I’m not so ignorant to think that men that come from a country that treat woman so poorly may not have the same culture and views that we have been pushing for here for years

I agree they don't have the same culture as us, but then I have a very different culture from someone as close as 10 miles away in the city.

Having a different culture doesn't make people dangerous or criminals, and it does not mean they should all be written off as such.

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:46

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:35

Of course it is.

If you stereotype Afghani or Iraqi men as dangerous rapists then it is absolutely racism or xenophobia.

Do you deny there are incoherent cultural differences?

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2026 10:46

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:27

Why not? British police and local authorities frequently run advertisements and campaigns targeted at grown men telling them not to harass women.

See: posters on the Tube, "Say Maaaate to a Mate", "You're Right, That's Wrong", and others.

Some might argue that those posters are a very recent requirement, speaking as a woman who used the tube regularly when I was a teenager decades ago.

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:47

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2026 10:46

Some might argue that those posters are a very recent requirement, speaking as a woman who used the tube regularly when I was a teenager decades ago.

I'm extremely surprised to hear that there was no sexual harassment on the tube decades ago.

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:48

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:46

Do you deny there are incoherent cultural differences?

I think you've used the wrong word. Did you mean "incompatible"?

If so, how are you defining incompatible?

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:51

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:48

I think you've used the wrong word. Did you mean "incompatible"?

If so, how are you defining incompatible?

Well I don't think a woman should expect to ask any man if he speaks English before he ttacks her. It's not relevant is it? So we are told.

LeastOfMyWorries · 30/09/2026 10:51

Blondiebeachbabe · 29/09/2026 13:32

Have you been living under a rock? There have been umpteen attacks by illegal immigrants and many, many rapes.

I read recently that in the last few years, there have been 8 women murdered by immigrants to this country. There have been just shy of 300 murdered in the same time frame by british "born and bred" men. Which have we heard more about?

CountBinfaceForPM · 30/09/2026 10:52

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:47

I'm extremely surprised to hear that there was no sexual harassment on the tube decades ago.

I must have imagined the time about 15 years ago when a man pressed his erect penis against my bum on a Piccadilly line train.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 10:52

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:45

I agree they don't have the same culture as us, but then I have a very different culture from someone as close as 10 miles away in the city.

Having a different culture doesn't make people dangerous or criminals, and it does not mean they should all be written off as such.

Are you moving on the idea education can influence from a young age? Particularly when some countries deny education to girls altogether.

It’s hard to match with a leaflet.

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:53

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 10:42

There’s a figure below on IPV in Iran if you have a look. I’ve also linked a report on sexual violence in Iran.

Is it your view it would be pretty much the same in Iran and the U.K.?

I'm afraid I can't see the post (which page is it on please?).

If you want to discuss this in light of your queries regarding leaflets vs education in schools, we'd first need to establish what education is undertaken in Iran however.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2026 10:54

Harry12345 · 30/09/2026 10:40

I’ve been to Morocco and Egypt as a young woman and it was horrendous, I was nearly gang raped in Turkey after 3 days there

I remember having issues with chaps in Egypt (some young enough to be my children) in the 90's, quite a lot of tourists were killed in Egypt in that decade.

The authorities recently were quite gentle with the bods that wanted to walk into Gaza, more gentle than the ( non western) people they killed and buried in the Sinai.

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:55

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:51

Well I don't think a woman should expect to ask any man if he speaks English before he ttacks her. It's not relevant is it? So we are told.

Sorry, are you responding to the right poster? Because this isn't making sense in the quoted context.

Shadymeadow · 30/09/2026 10:57

moderate · 30/09/2026 07:52

Or they say “Oh but it’s more dangerous there because of how we in the West have treated them”.

And yet Japan lost a world war and became a thriving economy.

So did Germany.

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:58

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:55

Sorry, are you responding to the right poster? Because this isn't making sense in the quoted context.

We are talking compatability aren't we? Fluency in speaking a language is a compatability marker.

echt · 30/09/2026 11:00

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EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 11:00

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 10:53

I'm afraid I can't see the post (which page is it on please?).

If you want to discuss this in light of your queries regarding leaflets vs education in schools, we'd first need to establish what education is undertaken in Iran however.

Not sure without scrolling.

But do you really think Iran and UK are pretty much the same for women and girls? Even without more info what do you think, your view rn is they’re the same?

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 11:01

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 10:58

We are talking compatability aren't we? Fluency in speaking a language is a compatability marker.

So you would define incompatible cultures as those who don't speak different languages.

How exactly does that make culture A a danger to culture B in terms of sexual violence? Why does it reduce culture A to dangerous rapists?

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 11:02

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You're using gammon, which is racist.

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 11:03

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 11:00

Not sure without scrolling.

But do you really think Iran and UK are pretty much the same for women and girls? Even without more info what do you think, your view rn is they’re the same?

You'll need to quote me where I've said Iran and the UK are the same for women and girls because clearly I'm having a moment.

Iran and the UK not being the same for women and girls does not mean that Iranian men are dangerous rapists. Stereotyping them as such is xenophobia / racism.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2026 11:04

CountBinfaceForPM · 30/09/2026 10:52

I must have imagined the time about 15 years ago when a man pressed his erect penis against my bum on a Piccadilly line train.

To me 15 years is recent, I regularly used the Picadilly line as a teen.

Somerford · 30/09/2026 11:04

LeastOfMyWorries · 30/09/2026 10:51

I read recently that in the last few years, there have been 8 women murdered by immigrants to this country. There have been just shy of 300 murdered in the same time frame by british "born and bred" men. Which have we heard more about?

Highly questionable and also a very vague time frame. What is your source?

LuckyHazelFox · 30/09/2026 11:04

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 11:01

So you would define incompatible cultures as those who don't speak different languages.

How exactly does that make culture A a danger to culture B in terms of sexual violence? Why does it reduce culture A to dangerous rapists?

If I am giving legal advice to person who doesn't understand English, how are we compatible in the absence of an interpreter? I'm referring to any nationality, BTW. Who's saying all foreigners are rapists?

washingmysocks · 30/09/2026 11:06

Somerford · 30/09/2026 09:47

Your Alanis Morrisette comparison is valid, she seemed to have a poor understanding of irony also. Your other comparison isn't valid, you know that obviously. I understand why you're obfuscating. If I found myself having to argue that there is no disparity in civilisation or advancement between uncontacted Amazonian tribes and developed Western nations I'd be struggling too. You brought that on yourself though in all fairness.

Why is it not valid? You haven’t explained why you think the western scenario is more ‘advanced’. Because they have social media to help them incite violence rather than just spears?

EasternStandard · 30/09/2026 11:07

Limeandfigs · 30/09/2026 11:03

You'll need to quote me where I've said Iran and the UK are the same for women and girls because clearly I'm having a moment.

Iran and the UK not being the same for women and girls does not mean that Iranian men are dangerous rapists. Stereotyping them as such is xenophobia / racism.

Good. Agreement on that at least. The first part.

Which leaves the effectiveness of a leaflet v education from a young age.