What would the Left call the Right, if the small boat people were white?

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I'll start by saying, I am very anti open boarders, and I am horrified that so many illegal immigrants are arriving every day. But for me, it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour, it is more to do with :

ONE) They have no documentation, and we have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds

TWO) They tend to come from cultures where women are not respected

THREE) They often come from places where rape is not a crime

FOUR) They cannot work, and it is costing Millions to house, feed and clothe them

FIVE) We are granting asylum to some people who should never get it - like the Hamas bodyguard we heard of yesterday

Lots of valid reasons I feel, however, for me, it has nothing to do with skin colour. If I had to be locked in a room overnight with a white man from a backward culture, or a black man from the UK, I would choose the latter, every single time.

It isn't colour, it's culture

But I see that people on the Far Left just scream "Racist" to anyone who opposes illegal immigration. What would they scream, if all the small boats were full of white men? And would people still march for England?

If you can’t see why it would come up as an argument as to why woman may be more at risk from refugees then I really don’t know what to say. Have you seen the classes around the U.K. and the leaflets having to explain consent and how sexual assault is wrong?

That’s the first time you’ve given me any examples! Ok so presumably you consider British society civilised by that metric? At what point did it become civilised? Cos we’ve not been treating those people particularly well for that long, historically (animals have been legally protected against cruelty longer than women have in England…) was it legislation that raised us into that category? Or widespread public attitudes?

Laws are a major part. A country that has reinstated stoning is not the same legally as here.

We live in the present, not the past. Any other irrelevant attempts to shift the goalposts you want to attempt, or are you done with your Reform voter recruitment drive for the moment?

Have you seen the amount of money and time we invest in schools and workplaces trying to teach British people about consent? And yet a significant proportion still don’t seem to get it…

So people should judge you personally on the laws your government chooses to enact?

Your ‘so…’ doesn’t follow. You asked what influenced a society. Laws do yes, for a large part.

Of course it’s the other way too, people influence and create the laws we have. And thankfully women here are very capable of doing so.

Much harder in an authoritarian state where even Internet access is punishable with violence.

I’m not shifting any goalposts I’m challenging you to explain your opinions. you scoffed at my opinion that no one is more ‘civilised’ than anyone else, so I’m asking why you think I’m wrong.

No I asked what makes a group of people more civilised than another group. how about an authoritarian state where women are much safer than in the uk. Are they more or less civilised?

obviously I’m not saying the taliban arent horrific. I’m saying they don’t reflect most of the society, and I don’t think many cultures can be fairly judged on their leaders, to the extent that we demonise ordinary citizens based on the actions of those leaders.

Your post asked about British society and when it became civilised.

On a societal level then yes laws and things like freedom of information and the ability to have a voice determine it.

Yeah so if men born here who are taught about consent from a young age are struggling to get it, you feel that men from Afghanistan that have never been taught it will get it more? Right ok

Your Alanis Morrisette comparison is valid, she seemed to have a poor understanding of irony also. Your other comparison isn't valid, you know that obviously. I understand why you're obfuscating. If I found myself having to argue that there is no disparity in civilisation or advancement between uncontacted Amazonian tribes and developed Western nations I'd be struggling too. You brought that on yourself though in all fairness.

People go on holiday to Egypt all the time. I've travelled quite a bit in Morocco. Somalia is extremely dangerous and experiencing a humanitarian crisis. Famine and war is not their culture.

You mean the ones we teach in schools to all children and teenagers as part of PHSE? Yes I have.

Afghanistan and Iraq aren't safe countries for anyone for a myriad of reasons but primarily because of ongoing war and conflicts in the region. I also wouldn't want my children to go to Russia, Ukraine, Iran, Somalia, or indeed any other region currently being torn apart by war.

What you are trying to do is cast Afghanis and Iraqis as dangerous rapists who present an unacceptably high risk to women over and above that posed by British men. And that I'm afraid is outright racism / xenophobia.

That's because that potato is too hot to handle.

Do you think a leaflet at adulthood can replace, or be on the same level, to the education dc get here on the issue at schools?

Why not? British police and local authorities frequently run advertisements and campaigns targeted at grown men telling them not to harass women.

See: posters on the Tube, "Say Maaaate to a Mate", "You're Right, That's Wrong", and others.

No it's not outright racism and xenophobia. Labels also don't trump women's feelings and gut instincts about safety. Cultures in our schools in the UK are vastly differ to the origins you refer to. That's a major variable unsettling your accusations that aren't washing.

Are you familiar with the poster Debbie Savage?
Egypt has a problem with Islamic extremists, they would like westerners not to know this as tourism helps their economy.

I met someone who had recently travelled to a Morrocan seaside town, on the same days that our papers were full of pictures of thousands of Morrocans swimming into Ceuta from that town and the next one over, they didn't mention seeing it so I suppose it didn't really happen.

Btw Somalia have a bit of an issue with maritime piracy which is much less romantic than Disney portrays it.

Ok so a yes to a leaflet at adulthood matching education from a very young age.

Of course it is.

If you stereotype Afghani or Iraqi men as dangerous rapists then it is absolutely racism or xenophobia.

If you believe the latter is significantly more effective than the former, can you demonstrate this statistically?

I’ve been to Morocco and Egypt as a young woman and it was horrendous, I was nearly gang raped in Turkey after 3 days there

No there’s leaflets and classes for grown adult men regarding sexual assault being a crime. I am not saying they are all rapists, there will be lots of lovely people but I’m not so ignorant to think that men that come from a country that treat woman so poorly may not have the same culture and views that we have been pushing for here for years