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AIBU to refuse the back seat when giving my MIL a lift?

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Frontseat · 29/09/2026 10:48

MIL expects lifts . Fair enough dh obliges.

Sometimes I’m with him as while she’s in an appt we get other jobs done/shopping etc

Turned up today and she ordered me into the back seat ! I said no - if you want a lift get in if not book an uber.
The seats are on the same level, just as accessible and the same leg room ( im petite so have the seat pulled forward so back seat has lots of space).
She went mad started shouting at me ! To have some respect and move. Called me a ‘rude disrespectful little bitch’.

Dh has then told her to sort out a taxi he’s not having her speak to me that way.

She has phoned repeatedly (we ignored)
Shes messaged to say she missed her hospital appt because of me !!!

AIBU to think she should have just sat in the back ?!!

OP posts:
Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:41

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 29/09/2026 14:37

Hitting other people is the HEIGHT of bad manners, not to mention it's criminal.

We'd disagree. Especially if the person is your rude child who is disrespectful to their elders. A clip around the ear is very much called for.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:41

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:39

Indeed. Bringing it up in multiple threads and/or asking questions about that in totally unrelated threads is just weird, though.

It would be like me advanced searching to see if they are divorced or unemployed to challenge their views on whether all dogs should be on leads.

I suppose the logic is that it’s not mentioned if you’re posting about, for example, your holidays or TV show but when you’re posting about being raised right - it’s is the sort of post that if a poster does recall your prison thread - it seems reasonable and relevant to raise?

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:42

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:40

Yes I do. So it makes no sense to try and bring up my past and ask questions about it in other places.

I agree that it would be poor form for people to look up past threads deliberately, but if you have an active thread at the moment then it's hard to say they're bringing up past threads.

Anyway, you've said that you don't like it, so I certainly respect that and I won't refer to it. I haven't seen your thread.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:42

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:39

Indeed. Bringing it up in multiple threads and/or asking questions about that in totally unrelated threads is just weird, though.

It would be like me advanced searching to see if they are divorced or unemployed to challenge their views on whether all dogs should be on leads.

no - it would be like you being aware of a poster saying that all dogs should be on leads but you recall a thread started by that particular poster about how she was arrested for not having a dangerous dog on a lead

Goldenbear · 29/09/2026 14:43

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:37

Because you expect OP to accept bad behaviour but can’t even tolerate a poster repeating a fact here.

Well, 'accuracy' isn't your strong point is it as I haven't mentioned reporting anyone. I think explicit belittling of someone 'isn't' anywhere near repeating facts. Indeed, since when has 'opinion' been considered a 'fact'. Hence why I asked why it is 'ironic'. You should look up the definition of, 'irony'.

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:44

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:41

I suppose the logic is that it’s not mentioned if you’re posting about, for example, your holidays or TV show but when you’re posting about being raised right - it’s is the sort of post that if a poster does recall your prison thread - it seems reasonable and relevant to raise?

Edited

No, not really. Especially when it only serves to demonstrate that the person who went to jail has better manners than you. You know on that note, it is also the kind of thing that would make you unpopular in jail. Even the drug dependent street sex workers would abide by this etiquette when their dependency allowed them to.

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:44

Goldenbear · 29/09/2026 14:43

Well, 'accuracy' isn't your strong point is it as I haven't mentioned reporting anyone. I think explicit belittling of someone 'isn't' anywhere near repeating facts. Indeed, since when has 'opinion' been considered a 'fact'. Hence why I asked why it is 'ironic'. You should look up the definition of, 'irony'.

I didn't say you specifically had reported anyone though Golden. So I would be checking your own 'accuracy' before casting aspersions.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:44

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:44

No, not really. Especially when it only serves to demonstrate that the person who went to jail has better manners than you. You know on that note, it is also the kind of thing that would make you unpopular in jail. Even the drug dependent street sex workers would abide by this etiquette when their dependency allowed them to.

I can’t say many of us are concerned about what would make us unpopular in prison @Lexibletheflexible

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:45

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:42

no - it would be like you being aware of a poster saying that all dogs should be on leads but you recall a thread started by that particular poster about how she was arrested for not having a dangerous dog on a lead

Edited

I've never been arrested for disrespecting or harming the elderly.

Calliopespa · 29/09/2026 14:45

Millytante · 29/09/2026 14:02

It’s just politeness and respect for others, nothing more complex.
So many minor social conventions like that have been jettisoned since this century began, and I imagine in dealings between and among us, most especially the intergenerational, we will come to regret binning those basic behavioural rules which we absorbed as children and which rather kept a lid on a lot of inevitable family frictions.
For example, as they age our mothers, never mind MILs and great-aunts, can often develop a querulousness born of the many frustrations we’ll all probably experience as ageing women. (As a creaky 70+, I can testify!)
Needless to list any as they are obvious, but lack of status or (perceived) purpose in society might be a big one.

Anyway, this querulous, even prickly facet has always been handily propitiated via the traditional ‘respect for our elders’ you jib against. I’d maintain that these little social deferences are very often as much in our own interest as theirs. (Merely giving a little pleasure is no negligible consideration, of course)

This stuff costs us nothing, unless giving way to others is categorically never going to happen, as a matter of principle.
Applied beyond family dynamics, that philosophy is always going to exacerbate tension, and it must entail living with your antennae forever scanning for encroachments onto your bit of the jungle.

I agree with so much of this.

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Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:46

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:45

I've never been arrested for disrespecting or harming the elderly.

I should hope not

but you are talking about being raised right

when you do concede your own mother flagrantly lied to the council, defrauded the tax payer and took housing away from someone who actually needed it - so you could get a council house at 16.

Surely, surely you must see the hypocrisy in that?

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:47

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What a peculiar post. Assuming all prisoners would offer the front seat. How strange

Dutch1e · 29/09/2026 14:48

helpfulperson · 29/09/2026 11:14

I wonder how the mumsnetters who think MiLs and older people in general don't deserve any consideration will feel when they reach that age.

For all we know the MIL is under 50, and the consideration part was the lift!

Edit: oops, she's 64, the rest of the posts have loaded for me now.

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:48

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:47

What a peculiar post. Assuming all prisoners would offer the front seat. How strange

Most female prisoners have been raised to do things like defer to the elderly, yes. WC values.

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:51

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:48

Most female prisoners have been raised to do things like defer to the elderly, yes. WC values.

Interesting that you say females are raised to defer.

I agree with you but that this points to the sexism at the heart of all this.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:53

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:48

Most female prisoners have been raised to do things like defer to the elderly, yes. WC values.

Just not to defer to the law

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:53

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:46

I should hope not

but you are talking about being raised right

when you do concede your own mother flagrantly lied to the council, defrauded the tax payer and took housing away from someone who actually needed it - so you could get a council house at 16.

Surely, surely you must see the hypocrisy in that?

No, not really. I can see how one is breaking the law and one is bring rude and disrespectful and I know what one is acceptable in my eyes.

NullaEffugium · 29/09/2026 14:53

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:06

OP doesn't sound angry, she dealt with MIL calmly and assertively.

Telling women to calm down when they exercise agency isn't helping them, it's telling them to ignore their own needs and put others first.

You can be calmly and assertively rude.
Men have been convicted for calmly and assertively emotionally and verbally abusing a partner.

Being calm and assertive doesn’t mean you’re not also being rude.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:53

I don’t raise “my females to defer”

They would offer the front seat out of politeness

not deference

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:53

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:53

Just not to defer to the law

Perhaps not.

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:54

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:53

No, not really. I can see how one is breaking the law and one is bring rude and disrespectful and I know what one is acceptable in my eyes.

So to be clear - breaking the law is the “acceptable one”

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:54

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:53

I don’t raise “my females to defer”

They would offer the front seat out of politeness

not deference

Nobdy here raises "females" to defer. We raise our children to defer. I spoke of female prisoners because that's who I was locked up with and mostly work with now.

nomas · 29/09/2026 14:55

NullaEffugium · 29/09/2026 14:53

You can be calmly and assertively rude.
Men have been convicted for calmly and assertively emotionally and verbally abusing a partner.

Being calm and assertive doesn’t mean you’re not also being rude.

MIL was rude in ordering OP to the back. OP's response was justified, and gave her MIL two options, to either sit in the back or get an Uber.

You can't be rude to someone and expect sweetness and lightness back.

Lexibletheflexible · 29/09/2026 14:56

Pretendbafta · 29/09/2026 14:54

So to be clear - breaking the law is the “acceptable one”

Yes.

That doesn't mean murder is more acceptable than bring rude. It means I'd more readily consider doing something illegal than acting disrespectfully to someone.