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Refuse holiday for youngest as eldest half-sister excluded even though has impact on childcare

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MarieBaronelovechild · Today 12:09

My parents in law told my husband that they were taking all the kids for a week’s holiday last week of August. This would be amazing, the kids would see their cousins and we would not have to juggle time off and save money on the music camps when we haven’t been able to take time off.

Last Tuesday BiL met husband, it turns out all the kids doesn’t include my daughter from my previous marriage.

BiL says that MiL is prepared to take her as she doesn’t want to upset us but BiL asked if we can have a bit of a rethink next year as MiL and his kids and presumably SiL’s kids, don’t get to see youngest without eldest so disrupting relationships. .

DH still wants to send her with them as MiL is prepared to take her. I don’t and don’t want my youngest going either.

This is Mumsnet, eldest has a father, sees him and he pays for her, more than he has to but can’t take time off in the summer.

My AIBU

Upset with in-laws’ attitude
Not prepared to send eldest on holiday with them.

OP posts:
chirrupybird · Today 15:09

Could your eldest DD go to your parents or her dad's parents for a holiday, or could both go to your parents? How many children are the PILs taking on holiday? It might really be too much to take one more and your DD and the other girl the same age not getting on could make it very difficult for them, apart from her not actually being their GC.

BerryTwister · Today 15:11

From what you’ve said OP, I’d let your eldest go.

If she goes, you’ve said PIL will be nice to her, and it sounds as if the other kids are good kids too, so they’ll all have fun. Your eldest will never need to know about all this.

If you don’t let them go, they’ll wonder why they’re missing out on a holiday. If you let your youngest go but not your eldest, then she’ll know she’s not wanted, which would be upsetting for her.

It would be different if you suspected PIL would be mean to her, but you’ve said they won’t be. And actually, this will give them an opportunity to see what a lovely girl she is.

PurpleThistle7 · Today 15:12

YellowMellow99 · Today 15:08

I see your point and agree with you. I’d not send either of your girls. How mean and rude of them not to include your 9 year old! She’s just a little girl and she’s part of your family. If your DH raises her as his own, which I hope he does, his family should accept that and treat her the same way as they treat all their grand children! I’m so sorry they are being like this, it’s really not on! YANBU!!

For me where this falls apart is that this girl has her own dad and her own grandparents so has experiences and time with them without her wee sister. So why not the opposite? Why does the 4 year old get 2/3 of what her sister has?

Phineyj · Today 15:14

The OP said her ex was unable to have the eldest in the holidays and it would presumably be extremely unlikely he could at a week's notice.

canklesmctacotits · Today 15:15

Purposefulactivity · Today 14:51

It's a child they've known since she was 2 years old. A child.

I’ve known intimately and absolutely love my nieces and nephews. I’ve known them since they were in their mothers’ wombs. I wouldn’t take them on my one and only holiday of the year with my DC. They have their own parents, my kids only have DH and me and deserve to have us to themselves. Will do Christmas, weekends away, sleepovers - everything else.

The eldest daughter has a father and his family. They can do for her what this MIL is doing for her son and granddaughter. Neither is wrong, they’re both doing the same thing, they’re both defining their family in the same way.

Phineyj · Today 15:17

MargaretThursday · Today 15:06

Thing is unless you've been in that situation then you don't realise how difficult it can be.

I live a few hours from my parents, my siblings live close.

We had a period whenever I visited my siblings would always be there. Now they saw my parents on their own, but for some reason they had to arrive before me and stay until I'd gone.
They're very different to me in what they enjoy - we get on, but if we were doing something for the day then we'd choose totally different things. They knew the area and didn't have children, which I did - they had dogs though. They're also far more dominant about what they wanted - I'm much more inclined to go along with the trend.

So every day deciding what to do I'd be thinking something like "maybe we could go down to the river with a picnic like we used to as children." Thinking, there's a lovely area where we can sit while the children have a little paddle, there's a path from the car park so I can take the buggy for when dd2 needs a sleep, and we can have a catch up chat.

And they'd be "Great. When we go there we actually don't park there any more, we park 5 miles away, do a route march past the river along a muddy path and cut cross country through the woods and stop at the pub which takes dogs but not children and definitely don't stop at the paddling bit because it's not fair on the dogs and we want a long walk so have to get on."

So what would actually happen was I ended up at the back carrying one child and other child finding the speed too much, so getting upset, no breath for talking. I'd be stressed trying to keep up because I didn't know the place and not able to go into the pub when we arrived, so they'd be stroppy because their dogs needed their dog lemonade or whatever and they wanted to go inside... Dd2 would then fall asleep in the car on the way back which would be too late for her so she wouldn't sleep that night...

They weren't being nasty, simply they were at a different stage than me. They wanted to wear the dogs out with a long walk. I wanted to entertain the children and spend some time catching up.
Because I was more inclined to fit in in the past, they found it hard if I tried to say this didn't fit for us and push it through. Dm would get upset if I said I'd stay behind - and really I'd come to spend time with them which I didn't normally get, so this felt silly too.

Eventually very unusually for me, I blew and said I wanted to see my parents on their own for some of it - no problem with them being around for some of it, but not all, and it's much better now.

So you can very much like to see people, but spending time with individual people can be nice to do as well.

That was exactly what happened to me when I had my DC 5 years after my sister had her youngest, minus the dogs.

No ill will on her part but just total amnesia about the years DH and I had facilitated naps, buggies, early bedtimes and visited places aimed at toddlers. She wouldn't do it for us and thought we were most unreasonable.

Notonthestairs · Today 15:18

canklesmctacotits · Today 15:07

Most grandparents/PILs don’t. When it comes to wills, for example, people name their children and grandchildren. Rarely is the DIL/SIL named or is a benefactor.

I know everything on MN revolves around money.

But we are discussing who you’d include in family get togethers.

If choice is based on 1) blood or 2) did I choose this person to join my family then the pool is going to get small pretty quick. You couldn’t include SILS & DILS as you didn’t choose them.

SandyHappyPerson · Today 15:18

MargaretThursday · Today 15:06

Thing is unless you've been in that situation then you don't realise how difficult it can be.

I live a few hours from my parents, my siblings live close.

We had a period whenever I visited my siblings would always be there. Now they saw my parents on their own, but for some reason they had to arrive before me and stay until I'd gone.
They're very different to me in what they enjoy - we get on, but if we were doing something for the day then we'd choose totally different things. They knew the area and didn't have children, which I did - they had dogs though. They're also far more dominant about what they wanted - I'm much more inclined to go along with the trend.

So every day deciding what to do I'd be thinking something like "maybe we could go down to the river with a picnic like we used to as children." Thinking, there's a lovely area where we can sit while the children have a little paddle, there's a path from the car park so I can take the buggy for when dd2 needs a sleep, and we can have a catch up chat.

And they'd be "Great. When we go there we actually don't park there any more, we park 5 miles away, do a route march past the river along a muddy path and cut cross country through the woods and stop at the pub which takes dogs but not children and definitely don't stop at the paddling bit because it's not fair on the dogs and we want a long walk so have to get on."

So what would actually happen was I ended up at the back carrying one child and other child finding the speed too much, so getting upset, no breath for talking. I'd be stressed trying to keep up because I didn't know the place and not able to go into the pub when we arrived, so they'd be stroppy because their dogs needed their dog lemonade or whatever and they wanted to go inside... Dd2 would then fall asleep in the car on the way back which would be too late for her so she wouldn't sleep that night...

They weren't being nasty, simply they were at a different stage than me. They wanted to wear the dogs out with a long walk. I wanted to entertain the children and spend some time catching up.
Because I was more inclined to fit in in the past, they found it hard if I tried to say this didn't fit for us and push it through. Dm would get upset if I said I'd stay behind - and really I'd come to spend time with them which I didn't normally get, so this felt silly too.

Eventually very unusually for me, I blew and said I wanted to see my parents on their own for some of it - no problem with them being around for some of it, but not all, and it's much better now.

So you can very much like to see people, but spending time with individual people can be nice to do as well.

Good for you for standing up! It can make a massive difference to the dynamic of family get togethers when people are forced together rather than actually wanting to be there together, when my mum was alive we all often saw her alone, and then occasionally we'd arrange to be there together.. it was so much easier!

It's a pity you couldn't have stood up for yourself earlier, that day sounds lovely, you could have gone to the river part (they could have dropped you off if driving) and they could have parked much further away to come and meet you.. then all gone to the pub, best of both worlds!

My sister is a bit like you sound, and I'm always trying to second guess what she actually wants to do as to what she says she is happy to go along with, there's been too many times when she has agreed to something then told me afterwards how difficult she found it and what she would have preferred happen!! Grrr.. I wish she'd just bloody say to be honest as I'd always encourage a way for everyone to have everything they want/need, often splitting up and getting back together, but it's hard when they won't actually say what they would prefer!

WWomble · Today 15:19

You or your DH need to ask his Mum.

For me the girls are sisters and should be treated evenly. If DD1 is not included then I would decline the invite for DD2. Would cost for MIL also be an issue? Could you offer to contribute some of the cost for DD1?

Woodfiresareamazing2 · Today 15:20

bitmiffed26 · Today 14:02

‘We never get to see the family without one of the family we don’t want to see there’ sure sounds like othering to me

But when eldest spends time with her dad and his parents/extended family, youngest child is not included?
What's the difference?

Rhaidimiddim · Today 15:22

Notonthestairs · Today 14:59

On a that basis why even include the Op? She’s not blood and they didn’t choose her.

And if the OP said she didn't want BIL to bring his kid over next time he visits, because that kid is not blood to the OP...

Families are built through ties of blood combined with alliances with people outside the bloodline.

Two2TooAlsoToToward · Today 15:24

I never get to see family w/o my wet lettuce boring AF BiL. Perhaps I should do the MN thing and exclude him from family get togethers because he ruins the vibe for the rest of us, I didn’t “choose” him, and he’s not my blood relative (he does have his own family too—they can have him on Christmas Day). Problem solved. Thanks, Mumsnet! 👍

Purposefulactivity · Today 15:24

canklesmctacotits · Today 15:15

I’ve known intimately and absolutely love my nieces and nephews. I’ve known them since they were in their mothers’ wombs. I wouldn’t take them on my one and only holiday of the year with my DC. They have their own parents, my kids only have DH and me and deserve to have us to themselves. Will do Christmas, weekends away, sleepovers - everything else.

The eldest daughter has a father and his family. They can do for her what this MIL is doing for her son and granddaughter. Neither is wrong, they’re both doing the same thing, they’re both defining their family in the same way.

Can you see how the scenario you describe is not at all the same as what the OP is dealing with?

Also, we know very little about what happens on the little girl's paternal side of the family, but life is not neat and tidy like that. There might not be other kids, whether siblings or cousins, and there might be no grandparents. And that is not the test anyway. This child is a living, breathing human being and, whether it is easy for them to accept or not, intimately connected to her step-father's wider family.

I get that blended families are tricky but part of being an adult is accepting the circumstances you cannot change and, most especially, acting ethically towards all children at all times.

BusyDog · Today 15:26

The youngest is not included when your eldest sees her dad. Both girls understand they have different dads so sometimes will do different things.
MIL is prepared to take your eldest this time. So I think send both. But next time, if your eldest isn’t invited, just explain it’s because you have different dads. Just like how your younger sister doesn’t do everything you do.
This is how it is in a blended family and your eldest can understand.

chirrupybird · Today 15:26

DD1 and DD2 are quite far apart in age do they get on well and play together or does the age difference make that difficult? If they are very close it would be hard to separate them. I assume your ex's family have nothing to do with your DD2, so there will be many occasions when DD2 is left out of family things with your ex's family.

EnigmaticEnid · Today 15:27

bitmiffed26 · Today 13:38

It’s strange, because when a MIL posts about her DIL not wanting to spend time with her, or included her in everything she does with her own mother, I never see ‘wElL yOU aren’T hER fAMIly’ 🙄🙄

Exactly.

And if this particular family wanted to live by a set of miserable little rules that involve only extending energy and kindness to those related by blood, I would remember this for all future situations where it might apply the other way.

I would not want my DC to go anywhere where they weren’t wanted and welcomed and embraced into the fold. But it would really hurt to see them being excluded so explicitly, in a way that would be so obvious to them. That’s your child, and any of the posters who can’t empathise with that are cold as ice.

But if that’s how they want to live, I’m sure nobody could have a problem with you never extending anything back to them.

Oh, MIL got really old and we need a rota to do her food shopping? She’s not my mum.

BIL or SIL needs child care/airport lift/gifts buying and wrapping for Christmas/help doing the buffet for a party? They aren’t my siblings.

FIL got dementia and we all need to sort carers/clean/stop him wandering the streets naked? Not my dad.

LejlaKapovic · Today 15:27

MarieBaronelovechild · Today 12:09

My parents in law told my husband that they were taking all the kids for a week’s holiday last week of August. This would be amazing, the kids would see their cousins and we would not have to juggle time off and save money on the music camps when we haven’t been able to take time off.

Last Tuesday BiL met husband, it turns out all the kids doesn’t include my daughter from my previous marriage.

BiL says that MiL is prepared to take her as she doesn’t want to upset us but BiL asked if we can have a bit of a rethink next year as MiL and his kids and presumably SiL’s kids, don’t get to see youngest without eldest so disrupting relationships. .

DH still wants to send her with them as MiL is prepared to take her. I don’t and don’t want my youngest going either.

This is Mumsnet, eldest has a father, sees him and he pays for her, more than he has to but can’t take time off in the summer.

My AIBU

Upset with in-laws’ attitude
Not prepared to send eldest on holiday with them.

You're being so, so, so unreasonable! And entitled, too. If I found out that my mother held me back from spending time with my family, and having memorable experiences with them, I'd be really resentful and angry of my mother.

Please don't let your daughter miss out on a trip with her biological family just because you're butthurt that your other daughter, who's not a blood relative, hasn't been invited. It's not your husband's family's responsibility to take your other daughter, they are not related to her. Just because you and your husband has chosen to blend families, doesn't mean the wider family has to view unrelated people as part of their family. At least not to the degree you expect them to.

Let your daughter go on this holiday with her paternal family, and find something else to do with your other daughter.

Purposefulactivity · Today 15:28

BusyDog · Today 15:26

The youngest is not included when your eldest sees her dad. Both girls understand they have different dads so sometimes will do different things.
MIL is prepared to take your eldest this time. So I think send both. But next time, if your eldest isn’t invited, just explain it’s because you have different dads. Just like how your younger sister doesn’t do everything you do.
This is how it is in a blended family and your eldest can understand.

Are you this unemotional and compartmentalised about all aspects of your own life, or is this just how you expect other people to conduct themselves?

LejlaKapovic · Today 15:30

WWomble · Today 15:19

You or your DH need to ask his Mum.

For me the girls are sisters and should be treated evenly. If DD1 is not included then I would decline the invite for DD2. Would cost for MIL also be an issue? Could you offer to contribute some of the cost for DD1?

For me the girls are sisters and should be treated evenly.
Yeah, to YOU. To others, one child is a granddaughter/niece/cousin - the other is not.

StormGazing · Today 15:31

I’d push the issue out into the open personally. Sorry MIL, BIL has made it abundantly clear that the family feel our eldest shouldn’t be invited. Whilst I can appreciate she doesn’t share your genes, my children are sisters, and they do things together as family, so neither will be coming. Sadly some people spoil life for young children with stupid family political dynamics, but I won’t subject my children to this.

Notonthestairs · Today 15:33

LejlaKapovic · Today 15:30

For me the girls are sisters and should be treated evenly.
Yeah, to YOU. To others, one child is a granddaughter/niece/cousin - the other is not.

I’d imagine the girls view each other as sisters.

Notonthestairs · Today 15:34

Notonthestairs · Today 15:33

I’d imagine the girls view each other as sisters.

Although I appreciate their views don’t count.

LejlaKapovic · Today 15:35

Purposefulactivity · Today 15:28

Are you this unemotional and compartmentalised about all aspects of your own life, or is this just how you expect other people to conduct themselves?

You tried to make a point by insulting the poster, but you made no point. The poster is absolutely right in what she's saying (except the part of sending her other daughter, I wouldn't do that).

These girls have to be prepared for experiencing differences in treatment because they live a blended family situation. It's not about being unemotional, it's about not expecting people from outside your own little blended family unit to see things the way YOU do, and make demands on them. The wider family didn't choose all of these unrelated children into their life, they were just shoved upon them with the expectation that they must now be treated like blood relatives. The world doesn't work like that.

LejlaKapovic · Today 15:35

Notonthestairs · Today 15:34

Although I appreciate their views don’t count.

They count for them, as sisters. But no, not so much for everyone else...

liverpoolgal82 · Today 15:35

I think it’s mean and cruel of them. I couldn’t imagine ever being like that with my sister’s stepson. All the kids are grown up now but we loved him just as much as blood nephews. My parents treated him and still do as a blood grandson. How it affects relationships with the other kids is a strange way of thinking to me. It’s sad to me. They are all family and she’s the blood sister of one of their other grandchild I assume.