AIBU to worry about large numbers of undocumented men arriving in Spain?

[MaturingCheeseball]

Thousands of young men from Morocco and beyond swimming to Spain. Spain obviously has encouraged the problem with their amnesty for existing migrants, but thousands more arriving with no means of support and undocumented is going to cause huge problems. Large numbers will no doubt be ultimately trying to reach the UK.

It’s harsh, but we cannot accept infinite numbers of men.

This! ⬆️⬆️⬆️

Yeah, it reveals that Paris has been ruined.

They have the right to seek asylum.

The UK is no longer part of the EU's Dublin Regulation, having left the system on December 31, 2020 as a result of Brexit. The Dublin system (previously Dublin III) dictated which European country was responsible for processing an asylum claim, typically the nation of first entry. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Impact of Leaving the Dublin System

• Loss of Returns Mechanism: The UK can no longer deport or return asylum seekers to safe EU countries through the formal Dublin legal process. 1, 2]
• Loss of Database Access: The UK lost access to the Eurodac fingerprint database, which officials used to track irregular entry routes across Europe. 1, 2]
• End of Formal Family Reunion Rules: The UK is no longer bound by EU-wide provisions allowing unaccompanied asylum-seeking children or adults to transfer for family reunion purposes under the Dublin criteria. 1, 2]

Current Status and Alternative Measures Bilateral Arrangements: Without a comprehensive EU-wide replacement agreement, the UK relies on limited bilateral and ad-hoc cooperation frameworks (such as joint intelligence and patrol operations with France) rather than a formal returns mechanism. 1, 2, 3] New EU Framework: The EU's updated Pact on Migration and Asylum fully replaces the old Dublin rules within member states, but the UK remains outside this system and continues to process asylum claims under domestic law and international obligations like the UN Refugee Convention. 1, 2]

Policy Exchange have made this claim with no justification because it’s in their interest but it’s not reality. The framing is clear and Farage himself has said leaving would end the agreement.

I am not going to be the person who says that individuals should not move to do better for themselves and their families. But north Africa is close to Europe and sees the glittering future they might grasp. In reality, they will end up in an impoverished town in an Islamic enclave in Southern France, where the market traders instantly assume you are a thief. To be fair, that was partly true. But I spent almost a decade of summers in the Gard province of France, and their tourism has taken a massive hit because of the influx of Arab men dominating the outdoor tables of cafes.

Indeed. And a reminder to you, this thread is making (uninformed, ignorant and racist) comments about Spain.

All I'm doing is correcting them.

Hear hear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula#:~:text=In%20712%2C%20Tariq's%20forces%20were,thirds%20of%20the%20Iberian%20Peninsula.

Europe would do well to educate itself on previous Muslim conquests… This one lasted over 700 years!

Is Farage a lawyer ?

I'm not either but it seems the idea isn't as cut & dried as some people think.

The Swiss have their own issues with immigrants.

They are officially signed up to the EU free movement of people but there have been various campaigns along the lines of Switzerland is full.

the most recent which I saw posters for when I was over there last was a referendum to cap the population at 10 million.

immigrants are 25% of the Swiss population.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-politics/swiss-vote-eases-pressure-but-eu-agreements-remain-uncertain/91813828

because they have the referendum system it’s not a very attractive country to Muslim immigrants - face coverings (the burqa) are banned, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56314173
no mosques are allowed to build any minarets (four had already been built at the time of the ban) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Swiss_minaret_referendum

etc etc.

As you did about the UK when you implied we dont have proper laws and protections.

Whilst that may be a complicating factor it doesn’t make it impossible if there is the political will to leave.

We could of course stop spending billions on pets, tax the obvious companies exploiting our market, stop creating havoc in the Middle East and supporting a genocide, and demonising our disabled….desperate people looking for a safe place don’t worry me so much.

Italy has said it has to suspend the Schengen Agreement in the light of the numbers using this route.

The UK is no longer part of the EU's Dublin Regulation, having left the system on December 31, 2020 as a result of Brexit.

10,000 people arrived by small boat before we left the Dublin Regulation - why didn't we send them all straight back then?

I think we should be able to draft an exit that does not compromise the Good Friday Agreement, and that does not mean we accept every rag tag and bobtail that thinks they might like to live in the UK.

There are way more opportunities in Europe for them than in Morocco, or at least they believe that. I was once married to a Moroccan so am familiar with some of it.

“Stop spending billions on pets” 😂 Is a Labrador or cockapoo likely to be a criminal, likely to need public housing and benefits?

Net migration is down because less EU nationals are coming here (ie people who come to the UK to work and contribute to society), students requiring visas not being given them and changes to rules allowing care workers to bring their families over whilst more people are leaving the UK.

It’s not a positive thing! Can you honestly not see that more educated, working, contributing people leaving/not coming but 000000s of illegal migrants who contribute nothing but take lots, is not a complete and utter shit show? Really?

We will look back in 20/40 years (maybe sooner) and be appalled at how successive governments allowed this population to”replacement” to happen.

You don't have proper laws or protections. You don't have even a written constitution.

You have a serious gender imbalance in the workplace and in your government. We have laws which require 50/50 gender split in political parties and on the boards of large companies. Both parents receive 19 weeks parental leave following the birth of a child. We have public nursery school available for babies from 4 months old which is on a means tested pay scale where the maximum is 400 euros per month for full time care. We have employment laws which protect parents of children under 12 years old.

We have, since 2015, clarified in our Penal Code that anything other than clear consent is rape, look up "la Ley del si" which made this modification.

I could go on. But the UK's domestic propaganda has done a great job of convincing it's citizens that they have nothing to worry about.

Where are the fundamental rights of residents of the UK (including it's own citizens) listed so they can be clearly seen and protected?

Ours are listed in Título I de la Constitución Española.

Where are your?

Pets have way more sense than people. Pets should be running the show.

The three women were killed/thrown overboard by the men to garner sympathy from the media. Don’t you think it’s odd out of hundreds of people (95% or more of which are men), the bulk of whom died were women?

This is the kind of men that we are letting into the country.

"They have the right to seek asylum"

But not to be granted it.

Asylum from what? There is no war on in France and you have to travel over 1,000 miles to find a war anywhere in Europe.

I think the smugglers are the criminals, overloading the boats.

As for garner sympathy from the media, really