AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

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That’s not my position as it happens. I am not arguing the right and wrongs of what you are suggesting however. I am pointing out the contradiction in what you actually wrote in your original post.

Clearly touched a nerve given your peculiar response.

Very true.

Sadly the OP has no idea what she’s on about.

That’s a bit of a leap from op’s original post of saying they didn’t have much sympathy for prisoners who might be too hot in their cells during this heatwave 🤣

yabu

Some cells must be torturous and no that is not a good thing to wish on anyone.

Lots of people in there are waiting for court appearances..

Yes I am hating the hot at home but I can shower when I want or get an ice pack from the freezer. Due to poor staffing most prisoners will be out cell for less than an hour a day with no relief from the heat. I won't be surprised if some prisoners die from it especially the elderly ones and will be reading the prison death reports in the coming months to see if anything reported.

Good people sometimes do bad things....

Inclined to agree. Prison isn't meant to be pleasant.

Hospitals and schools need upgraded infrastructure before prisons do.

Completely agree, we are supposed to be a civilised society. Prison has to be about rehabilitation as well as punishment and deterant. Most are going to be released, if we treat them like worthless animals how can we expect them to become useful, safe members of society? Most have already experienced a bad start in life and mental health issues, inhumane treatment will only compound those issues and the person will likely become a greater risk to themselves and others.

If the conditions in prison are unsafe you're only going to create a greater strain on the hospitals, as well as damaging the rehabilitation of the inmates, storing up a future strain in society. Prisoners should receive a decent level of care.

Plenty have found themselves in prison for crimes they did not commit. Including several mothers wrongly convicted of killing their babies. With our police force being innocent absolutely does not mean you have nothing to fear.

what, applauding someone getting rid of a child abuser or paedophile, removing any risk of them being released and doing it again?

In an ideal world, the justice system would be making sure any child abuser/ paedophile is never again a risk for another child, but there we are.

I am good with my opinion, thanks

Sorry I didn’t realise people would need it spelling out to that extent.

Conditions in prisons are already really terrible so adding a heatwave on top of that and having no sympathy for the impact is very cruel.

Of course there are no murderers, paedophiles, rapists, thieves, all the rest of the "criminals" ever in our hospitals.

I used to work in a prison as a chaplain, the heat was simply unbearable during heat waves. No air movement, nothing but smelly muggy stale air for weeks on end - it was really unpleasant and I was able to leave each evening.

The men have committed crimes, yes, but surely we're hoping to rehabilitate them so they can rejoin society after their sentence and not just join the criminal world again immediately. No one can work or study in the conditions these prisons were in when temperatures hit 35-40°
the problems go fair beyond air conditioning, but I think your post underlines how the public think of our prison system I.e. why spend any money on them because they are criminals.

it's just very short-sighted. People think prison is for punishment, and in many ways it is. But our current system locks people in a cycle of crime, poverty and incarceration. If we want the cycle to be broken, people need to leave prison with a chance at employment and a normal life, and a sense that they are capable of this. If we just chuck them in the oubliette then they haven't got a hope when they're back outside.

We do spend money on them. It costs something like £40k per year on average per prisoner. This (tbh) is a stonking smount of money when you consider the conditions of some prisons. It represents really poor value for money. I do think some people need to be in prison for public protection due to crimes of violence.

I think there are better ways of dealing with people who steal especially if there are drugs etc. involved as the reoffending rate is high so prison in these cases is ineffective.

That will be overwhelmingly be paying for the staff who guard them, not their “facilities”

we live in the same country, in similar buildings, there's nothing cruel about saying "too bad". Their circumstances are not exceptional or much worst than many people. Why should they have any sympathy from us? Is their water intake restricted at all?

I do feel sorry for the staff, the same way I feel sorry for hospital workers and school staff or anyone who has to do a job in bad condition.

I really hope you don’t live in a house similar to a Victorian prison

it's not a shed with a tin roof is it? Have you looked at the state of schools and hospitals, and many blocks of flats?

What's so bad for prisoners that we should start crying about them being too hot? It's a heatwave! Everybody is too hot, they'll live. Or they will save the tax payer some pennies, either way, we are ok.

That’s not very kind. What an odd thing to post about.

Is someone asking you to cry about them?

you won’t find a hospital in the same state as the average prison. You should visit some.

Is someone asking you to cry about them? I am not crying about them, so what's your problem?

The thread is asking if I have little sympathy, I have absolutely none.
Why do you care so much what I think?

“What's so bad for prisoners that we should start crying about them being too hot?”

you're obviously asking why people expect you to cry about them. But no one does, you’re just being a drama llama.

I don’t care at all what you think. I do think maybe you’ve missed the point of an internet discussion forum if you think I do.

you are the one who keeps bringing ME into your argument and quoting me. I already said that I don't care, they don't have bad conditions that we should cry about, they are hot but we are all hot. 0 sympathy.

I don’t care at all what you think.
fabulous. Why do you keep interacting with ME then, and not keeping the discussion general or with other people?

Stop bringing me back into your argument and move on 😂

Are you confused? I’ve “spoken” to you by interacting with your posts twice. There is no “keep” about it.

you sound quite paranoid

Yep, as long as you are fine with it all never mind the law, the safety of those that work in the establishment and the slide into vigilantism. That's without even addressing the encouragement and reward of male violence. But, as long as you are "good" with it, never mind.