AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

as long as people will keep on defending and pretend to "rehabilitate" someone by telling him it's not kind to abuse and rape a body so small they will either not survive or are left with life-changing injuries you can't even imagine, before we even start to look at the psychological damage,
as long as these people protect the torturers and not the victims

yes, am good. I am just wish most of us were not so law-abiding and respectful that we keep trusting a failing justice system possibly. Hats off for the few who have the guts to resolve a problem we try to ignore

And to answer to the question of the actual thread, no, not much sympathy for people sent to jail for any reason just because they are a bit hot 😂.

There really is no reasoning with you, is there?

Many of our prisons are in an appalling state. Uncomfortable conditions do not support rehabilitation which is a fundamental part of a prison sentence we want less people returning to prison the conditions should be set up for this

people should be treated humanely in prison regardless of their crimes

many of our infrastructures in general are in a appalling state.
Hospitals, schools, the roads!

It will get worst rather than better, where is the money to improve anything? You'd think schools and hospitals would be the priority, and so many are not remotely suitable.

Don’t need to spell anything out. The post from op was not having sympathy for prisoners in the heatwave because they would be too hot. . Nothing to do with a shitty, underfunded, inadequate system that’s already ongoing. That’s a separate issue altogether.

You try living with serious childhood problems and never making any adult mistakes. Yes, not everyone who has a hard life ends up in prison but people in prison have very likely had hard lives. Nobody reading this is one jot of a better person than the average inmate -some.of us just had way way more chances. I'm no better than people in prison

Well as someone who was sexually abused from the age of 3 and left home at 16, I've managed to never commit a crime worth of prison. You may want to lump yourself in with rapists, child abusers, woman beaters and murderers, but most of us actually ARE better than that.

'Many incarcerated criminals were abused as children', isn't the same as 'many people abused as children are incarcerated criminals', @Naunet .

Not my point, my point is suggesting victims (and the rest of society) are no better than abusers, and i say that as someone with a traumatic childhood, so not from an ivory tower.

Having been stuck in hospital during the recent heatwave on a ward with no openable windows or ac, I feel sympathy for anyone stuck in this heat with no relief.

You can feel sympathy for someone, even if you don't think they're a good person or see that with the limited resourced, it's hard to argue for resources for them over others.

personally i prefer the trail blazer that was Zimbardo as he got there first and that was true raw data

You can prefer what you like, but the guard participants in that study confirmed that they were encouraged and directed to act a horrific manner - and even with that encouragement, only around a third actually did so, so Zimbardo's conclusion that the actions are entirely about environment aren't even strongly held up by his own data . Zimbardo had a conclusion he wanted to reach and bent the study and the results to reach them. It's used now as the prime example of unethical and poor research.

Those structural issues of being encouraged and incentivised to violence also played a role in Abu Gharib, where again, it wasn't a majority involved even with the power structures as they were.

Really if you want to claim 'the environment makes them do it' rather than individual choice, than you should support more support and better environments to help people be less violent. As with most things, environment is one, but not the only factor.

It’s not separate. A heatwave when you’re stuck in a one-person cell with no windows and another inmate, cramped together, with no respite, is torture.

Whatever the crime may be the punishment is being locked up. They should be treated decently when in prison.

I’m not interested in making human beings suffer. And that includes prisoners.

Staff aside, so many in prison should not be there due to mental health reasons. Due to the lack of places in hospital they end up being in hospital.
I should think that the guards have enough to do without reviving prisoners who collapse with dehydration, heat stroke etc

Presumable you don't care, because their reason doesn't matter just theor action.

So your reason for not caring should be discounted entirely as well, and your actions of what you think should happen should be judged independently of this as though they were anyone else, to get a true reflection of what kind of person you are.

Some people are never coming out of prison. They have a whole life sentence for vile and horrible crimes . Rehabilitation is not on the agenda here. It's keeping the public safe from them and locking them up for the vile way they have behaved.

Do you really care about people like Varley.Roy Whiting and Mark Bridger, Wayne Couzens etc out there.
I doubt they are worried about you.
They are in there of their own free will. There is always a choice.
Nobody has to rape or murder anyone.

Not only are they vile they are thick to think they won't be caught when we live in a world of CCTV and advanced technology.

If they murdered your child would you still be as understanding. Thought not.

They should loose all their rights as they didn't give a shit about their victims .
We've gone so soft they can even moan they don't like their bed now.
Prisoners can get compensation.

This week I’ve thought particularly about two circumstances, one was people in flats and the other, prisoners.

Re: prisons, I am unsure why so many posters think this is about AC being fitted. Nor why they think this is about ‘comfort’ as opposed to basic health and safety; death due to heat stroke is possible. Prisons are problematic in heat waves as there is little a prisoner can do to modify their environment or move to a more favourable one. As a few people have already said, prison is the punishment not heat exhaustion.

as Dostoevsky said The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.

very true points

A pp poster said ice pack and hydration breaks for staff nice idea but prisons are notoriously understaffed the decent officers will be run off their feet as in all workplaces you get the ones who hide and shirk duties .

Apparently, according to a ladbible youtube short video I watched, by a prisoner guvnor I think the lady was; we are all one mistake away from a prison sentence, or words to that effect... I guess depending on the category of the prison, can't some inmates have ways to cool down... fans for examplw
Plus lots of Prisoners who aren't bad.people but maybe they made a mistake/miscarriage of justice/whatever the case may be!
All the staff who work there too must struggle in the heat as well...
I have the utmost awe strickening admiration for all who work in these temperatures, whether it's Prisons, hospitals; etc
I couldn't do it

People who will never come out of prison is a tiny number of offenders. You don’t make up your mind about all prisoners based on them 🙄

Sometimes you don’t even need to make a ‘mistake’ … the Post Office Horizon scandal should have taught people that! There’s some
supreme confidence in the infallibility of the UK justice system being shown here.

The punishment is losing liberty not being overheated surely?