Vegans

[Theyreeatingthedogs]

I find them a bit meh. I'm happy for them to do their own thing if they leave me alone. I think this is overstepping. Do vegans not have pets? After all, keeping pets is just forcing animals to live and be controlled by humans.

BBC News - Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

Some vegans force their views about the actual animal and its welfare, it just sounds like your DD doesn’t like the taste/texture of meat and she doesn’t have dairy because she’s lactose intolerant, not because she cares about the animals

They are concerned about the welfare and exploitation of the birds. Sounds like they’re right. We shouldn’t be using them like this.

I’m a committed omnivore. But I recently stayed on a vegan campsite with friends and ate most breakfasts at the café there. It was lovely. I didn’t feel I needed to try and educate the people I was with or anyone else about what they should be eating. I couldn’t care less what people have for dinner. And if anyone tries to tell me what to eat I’d just ignore them. No business of anyone else what anyone is eating.

Hey thanks for your response.
Just to clarify (not having a go, I know it can be a contentious topic), vegan is a moral stance against animal exploitation so it does includes pet ownership, clothing, horse racing, animal testing on cosmetics etc.
Someone who doesn’t eat animal products for whatever reason is following a plant-based diet.
so - that is to say, all vegans eat plant-based diets, but not all people on a plant-based diet are vegan.

Agree. I’m glad the venue listened and cancelled the event

Where was this please?

I don't eat animals at all. Not too bothered if other people want to eat meat.
I don't like the labels. Everthing I've eaten today was suitable for vegans but not delierately so.
My pets aren't vegan or vegetarian.

I don’t think you really know what veganism is. It’s not about meat substitutes.

@4Lightz
Just a hypothetical. Would you say that adopting a dog from, for example, DogsTrust could be done by a vegan? You'd be exploiting it by keeping a sentient animal as a pet but DT uses dogs in its care to raise money which is a bigger exploitation imo. Could you still be classed as a vegan if you followed all the other vegan rules but adopted a dog from a shelter especially a long stay resident that no one else wanted? Just interested, nothing more.

I joined a vegan group on Reddit, all the posts were about how disgusting meat was, how many litres of water to produce meat, look at these fat people eating meat, and so on. That was such a good opportunity to talk about it in a positive way instead of looking for the negatives I thought.

There is a really good sub for vegan recipes though.

The vegans I know fall into one of two camps - ‘I’m vegan, I’m political, what are you doing to help the animals? This is what I am doing’, and the other type is more ‘I’m vegan, would you like some cake? I also have samosas and other things and I always share my recipes’. I love the second type 😁.

Yeah - some (most?) vegans would be ok with adopting from a shelter as the animal already exists and isn’t being brought into the world specifically to be your pet. There are definitely some grey areas within veganism though and this is one of them. Some vegans are completely against pets full stop whereas others do think adopting from a shelter remains ethical. Whereas things like the egg industry are obviously not vegan, no debate.

Pillars of Hercules near Falkland Palace.

She used to eat cheese before becoming intolerant to lactose, eggs and honey. Now she chooses not to. It’s her choice. She is pretty healthy and runs regularly as far as marathons, so it’s not doing her any harm. Live and let live.

How can you speak for all vegans?

Not everyone is the same.

There are people who are vegans to the point of not having a pet, people who eat a vegan diet, and lots of people in between who have their own red lines of what it means to them.

Having a rescue is definitely preferable but its still having an animal living in 'captivity' so is against vegan principles really.

I’m a vegan but we take in stray/injured/in need animals. Some we help nurse back to health and they go onto other homes and some stay with us. We’ve had everything over the years from cats, dogs, rabbits, chickens, pigs, sheep, horses, also injured wildlife like hedgehogs.

Its a difficult issue for me because we have to feed some non vegan food, but my view is that as humans we have fucked the planet up for animals, so I do what I feel is best, which is me being vegan and the animals having the food they need. I would never buy a pet, I’m against most deliberate breeding. Most dog breeders make me sick. We have a dog with us at the moment who has been dumped after she is no longer useful for breeding. I dread to think how many litters she has had. She is a mess physically, she is so anxious and it will take a lot to get her back to full health.

I wondered this too ..that post made zero sense

Generally speaking I'd make curries, chillis - anything rice based with vegetables.

I didn't live off pizzas and cheese sandwiches.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.

Fully deserved.

We think similarly @Midnighttilmorning
But you do a lot more than me.
Hope it doesn't sound cheesy to say thank you for all your efforts.

I've just addressed it.

I was thinking back to foods I ate. It was a vegetable based diet then. Plenty of pulses and rice.

I should have clarified that, that was my diet. Naturally was the wrong word - generally would have been better.

No. You said you were naturally vegan because there were no meat style substitutes. That makes no sense. If you were just vegetarian then why couldn't you eat eggs or cheese

Again, I would politely want to disagree. That might be your definition of vegan, but there isn't a single vegan authority dictating correct vegan beliefs. Opposing exploitation of animals is a common theme, but equating that to opposing pet ownership isn't in either a dictionary definition not the vegan society's definition.

I don't have a horse in the race, I'm not vegan, but I am a vegetarian who's spent years putting up with seemingly endless "you're doing it wrong if..." comments. I just think we should accept the right of individuals to decide on the nuances of their own moral stance.

I am a vegetarian and I have a lot of friends, colleagues, acquaintances who are vegan. The only people I know who ever bend my ear about veganism are omnivores! Vegans get whinged at for supposedly proselytising, for eating too much processed food, for eating rabbit food, for being superior, I've literally never encountered any of it. Just some supremely defensive meat eaters!

Okay, one more time...

No I don't know what veganism is about because I don't want to be one. I generally ate vegan food, still do now and I couldn't give a shit about anybody's thougts on me having a steak.