Vegans

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I find them a bit meh. I'm happy for them to do their own thing if they leave me alone. I think this is overstepping. Do vegans not have pets? After all, keeping pets is just forcing animals to live and be controlled by humans.

BBC News - Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

I cant understand why sheep....sorry people all get so hysterical about vegans. They arent child abusers. They just want animals to be respected and not abused or used as play things. Perfectly reasonable.
I have lots of vegan friends. They are nice people. I dont have the discipline. I am an occasionally lapsing vegetarian.

You could say that about any diet that excludes entire food groups.

having worked with a lot of dancers in the 90’s vegetarianism, veganism, low carb, low fat etc, all code for “I have a valid reason not to eat these foods and cut my calories”.

veganism can be much healthier than keto, for example. but we don’t automatically say keto is an eating disorder.

There's only one thing worse than an anti-vegan, and that's an anti-vegan who won't shut up about it. Jesus, get a grip. There's nothing to oppose. We just refrain from killing animals. Can you not cope with that?

They found that people treated them with derision so had to try using another term. They are introverted people and do not want to debate it or have to explain them selves.

I’ve been vegan since I was 11 in 1973 and don’t go on about it. People I work with/neighbours probably have no idea. I did express concern about our local village fete having a donkey derby and dog show today as it’s too hot so it’s going ahead without the animals

Whoever wrote the headline for that piece on the Beeb should be out of a job. And the same goes for the writer and whoever else was involved in editing the intro paragraph. The rest of the article goes on to show that two animal rights groups put in a perfectly reasonable request and that their concerns were listened to.

Still fucking preachy vegans spoiling everyone's fun reads so much better to some I suppose.

@CarbootJunction I’m vegan. I definitely don’t have an eating disorder. I love my food, just don’t like animals dying for it.

Yes actual vegans are against pet ownership as the animal is prevented from exercising their own free will (fed when human says, walked when human says etc)

If they have a pet they are 'just' following a plant based diet and/or some elements of veganism.

I would just go with “fussy”

Fussy ? That’s so rude judging people’s ethical choices

What do you think about the argument that actually the majority of these animals would never have existed if it wasn’t for farming? They would have just become extinct. We are animals too at the end of the day and at the top of the food chain - it is what it is. I understand wanting to eat high welfare meat but I genuinely don’t see what the big deal is about eating a free range egg, or a chicken that has had its life ended humanely. They don’t have any concept of death or tomorrow so it’s not like they sit around brooding about it and having an existential crisis.

That’s fine you can think it’s rude - to me it IS fussy. It is extremely privileged to be able to make such decisions about what you will or won’t eat. It’s also tiresome to have to cater for or consider when feeding groups of people in just the same way as when you get someone with a whole great big long list of things they don’t like eating. It’s fussiness.

Thanks for that. Some very thought-provoking points which I haven't heard before. We are doing them a favour by ensuring these meat/produce machines don't go extinct and then killing them to eat a percentage of their bodies. Certainly got me thinking. I think I'll eat a chicken tonight and the egg it laid before its life was ended humanely tomorrow morning. I've come to realise, it's what the chicken would have wanted. Thanks for your insight.

I'm vegan and I'm of the opinion that there are some of us that damage change with their aggressive all or nothing attitude.

Let's face it, none of us are truly happy with the way most meat and dairy is produced, but there is so much hatred from each side that no one talks about it, they just shout.

When I first went vegan I had so much push back, 10 years later most of my friends have made the choice to switch to at least one vegan alternative in their weekly shop simply because they've enjoyed it when I've made it for them, I think that's really cool, they get excited when they find something they like and share it with me. I've never told them I think they're wrong for eating animal products because I'm not living their life.

I get why vegans are passionate about animal welfare and the environment, but screaming at people about it isn't going to make anyone listen, campaigning for a road not to be called pork pie way and vegan way instead when it's being built in a place famous for pork pies does nothing but make people think we're all extreme nut jobs.

Great …the weekly VB thread

I also love the top of the food chain argument XD most people are so out of shape they can’t run 100m, but sure they are all apex predators

Do you know how low the bar is for free range? It’s not chickens outside in lots of space like on the happy eggs adverts. In reality they have very little space and many won’t see outside.

This! ^^

it has a click bait title and looks like it’s worked reading this thread.

It’s perfectly clear from reading the article that there were two separate groups who expressed concerns about welfare, The Darlington Vegans and North East Animal Rights.

The concern was that displays like this ”force wild animals to perform unnatural behaviour such as flying to human cues... purely for crowd spectacle"

We should all be applying critical thinking to things that involve animals for the benefit of human entertainment. I welcomed the ban on greyhound racing in Scotland and Wales and like @CrowsInMyGarden have expressed concerns at country shows and village fetes where animals were being exhibited and/or in classes when the weather temperature exceeded 27 degrees.

YABU - let them get in with it.

No need to be sarky - I didn’t say it was a novel perspective. I asked why it’s such a big deal, you haven’t been able to answer.

Then you are a very silly person.

I’m not going to communicate with you anymore

Disclaimer - I'm not a vegan.

There isn't one single ethos that everyone who follows a certain diet has to follow otherwise they are "not doing it properly".

Vegans can be vegan because they object to farming practices but have no issue with pets. They can be vegan because they believe the diet is healthier and not care about animals at all. They can literally follow the diet for any reason they like, it's their business.

The myth is that vegans go on about being vegan, but honestly, my experience is that it's a certain type of meat eater that whinges on about other people's diets in a judgemental way the most.

It’s unbelievable the ignorance and idiocy from supposed intelligent adults regarding vegans on this thread. In fact, on any thread about vegans.

I’m sure it comes from a place of shame that they cannot be disciplined and compassionate so it’s easier to just ridicule and dismiss.

I am quietly happy that my choices in life do not cause suffering to other living things. I’ll carry being insufferable in my own, smug and guilt-free way.

The article is pure clickbait. I've had friends and family who were the most annoying, insufferable vegans (in fairness, they were that way before they became vegan), and their smarminess pales in comparision to the most irritating of meat eaters. Give me a preachy vegan over a preachy meat eater any day.

Agree with pp that people following a vegan diet don't all think the same.
I am against pet ownership and would like to see it end. And I think there is a strong argument to say that some compromised breeds would be better off be euthanised than rehomed. But I do have a dog from a rehoming shelter.
I hope she has a better life with me than she would have had otherwise but who am I to say?