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Vegans

336 replies

Theyreeatingthedogs · 11/07/2026 12:55

I find them a bit meh. I'm happy for them to do their own thing if they leave me alone. I think this is overstepping. Do vegans not have pets? After all, keeping pets is just forcing animals to live and be controlled by humans.

BBC News - Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

A bird handler is holding a hawk on his gloved hand. A blurred crowd is stood behind him. The hawk has food clasped in its beak.

Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern

Hopetown Darlington stops the event, which had been planned for 31 July.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

OP posts:
Kamilaa · Today 10:15

Werhere · Today 09:03

it didn’t “work” for me because thankfully none of my veggie social circle take it upon themselves to “educate” people 😆

Your post is dripping with hostility.
We should all be open to learn about things in life. It’s a good thing to be educated.

Werhere · Today 10:17

Kamilaa · Today 10:15

Your post is dripping with hostility.
We should all be open to learn about things in life. It’s a good thing to be educated.

My posts are all about how no vegetarian or vegan I have encountered has ever forced an opinion on me and we have all rubbed along very nicely with one another. My bestie is a veggie!

No hostility. Just a smile when I read how much you relish being educated on the horror of the meat and diary industry but you also relish a meaty pizza and dairy!

redboxer321 · Today 10:38

Takingtigermountainbystrategy · Today 09:31

Interesting. I'm a bean loving vegan, with Bold Beans butter beans my current faves, but they are ruinously expensive ( for beans). How do you cook your mung beans? Do they need a soak?

I know what you mean about Bold Beans - they are delicious but at nearly £4 a jar they're a treat!
Mung beans, or at least the ones I bought, cook in about 15 mins. No soaking required. Can't remember what they cost but they're super cheap for what you get. I cook them to firm for salads and so on and let them go a bit mushy for curries. I don't have much space in my kitchen so tend to buy a pack and finish it and then buy more so it's a mung bean summer for me 😀
Hope you enjoy them as much as me!

Trivium4all · Today 10:40

VeggiJ · 11/07/2026 19:58

I’ve been vegan 13 years now and find this protest a bit daft tbh. Obviously I think animals should be treated well, as I’m sure most non vegans do too! I’ve volunteered at owl/birds of prey centres previously and all the animals were treated very well. During shows if the birds didn’t want to perform then they just didn’t, it’s not like they’re being forced to do it, and I don’t think it would be physically possible to force them either. Most of the time it helps to educate people on the animals too, which in my opinion I think is a really good cause!
I know some other vegans would call me ‘not a proper vegan’ for the way I am. My kids and partner aren’t vegan or vegetarian. I just like to do my own thing my way haha.

I'm glad a vegan posted this (I'm not a vegan)! My problem with the article posted in the OP is that it sounds as though some activist groups that don't know much about birds of prey complained to the organisers, who also don't know much about birds of prey, on uninformed principle, and the organisers gave in and cancelled the event because they don't want the aggro. So an event got cancelled not because of actual considered evidence that the birds of prey are harmed, but because someone was ideologically loud.

I went on a short falconry course after attending a few displays, and was fascinated to learn about the history, the modern uses of falconry (crop protection in agriculture, and keeping birds away from airport runways, were two I didn't know about), and the ecological aspects (e.g. public-health-oriented laws that govern the immediate removal of roadkill have had an inadvertent severe impact on the native vulture population in this area). Like the PP, I learned that the birds are very choosy about which handlers they are willing to work with, and under which circumstances, and if they don't want to fly for some reason, or don't want to return to the handler, then they just won't.

The falconry centre to which I went does a lot of work with conservation, rehabilitation of injured birds, looking after birds that can't be rehabilitated, and education. Of the birds used in flying displays, only a few are used for courses where you learn to handle them, and those few are chosen on the basis of their willingness to engage with strangers. There is no force involved.

redboxer321 · Today 11:02

It's not easy to get actual evidence though @Trivium4all
There would be a lot of barriers in place for one and also as far as I am aware, no human is as yet able to speak Falcon.
Sometimes, as I believe in this case, it's best to take the probability approach.

Some people, me included, have a problem with people using animals. How about rather keeping birds away from runways, we stop flying? Or, if you want to keep flying, I can't imagine there's not a way to keep birds away without employing birds of prey.

As for the birds used in flying displays and who are handled by strangers, I imagine they may well have been selectively bred. And I imagine their conservation programmes have a lot to do with that.
You say there's no force (I don't believe you can really know that), but there's food. So, manipulation. Also, it would be interesting to learn if animals suffer from what we call Stockholm syndrome. Thinking about it, I'm quite sure they do.

I'm not saying it's all bad and I would cautiously support rehabilitating and re-releasing injured birds (I'd need more details to remove my caution).

Moonface318 · Today 11:10

backformoreofthesame · 11/07/2026 13:22

It’s only irritating if you suspect there is some validity in what they are

let them live their lives. There isn’t a correlation between horrible people, judgy people , arrogant people and diet that I have noticed

otherwise you wouldn’t get threads judging people’s dietary choices

Absolutely this.

Veganism is about non exploitation, non cruelty and non violence.

If you're annoyed by just the idea of a conversation around that, it's very telling about you as a person.

redboxer321 · Today 11:16

Also just to add, I don't think we should dismiss non-vegans when it comes to discussing animal rights. I think I would agree more with @Kamilaa, for example who is not a vegan, than @VeggiJ, who is.
That is just an observation, just to be clear. Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. Whatever the baked potato woman says.
Sadly, being vegan does not mean you do not inflict suffering on others.

Gloriia · Today 11:16

Moonface318 · Today 11:10

Absolutely this.

Veganism is about non exploitation, non cruelty and non violence.

If you're annoyed by just the idea of a conversation around that, it's very telling about you as a person.

Exactly. A pp calling it 'fussiness' shows their utter ignorance for all to see.

redboxer321 · Today 11:18

Gloriia · Today 11:16

Exactly. A pp calling it 'fussiness' shows their utter ignorance for all to see.

Absolutely! Well said!

NoSausage · Today 11:23

Gosh, how magnanimous of you to bless people with a protected belief the right to live a peaceful life.

But not so much that you feel a need to make a post about it.

Maybe you can do one on how you think it's fine for others with protected characteristics to exist. Maybe how you think its fine for women to want equal rights as long as that doesn't impact you.

Werhere · Today 11:33

There isn’t a correlation between horrible people, judgy people , arrogant people and diet that I have noticed

@Gloriia has explicitly and repeatedly said she does judge meat eaters and has very much expressed her disgust at them

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