Vegans

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I find them a bit meh. I'm happy for them to do their own thing if they leave me alone. I think this is overstepping. Do vegans not have pets? After all, keeping pets is just forcing animals to live and be controlled by humans.

BBC News - Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

Oh fuck yes.

far worse are the dieters. Constantly talking about how much they need to lose, they need to go to the gym to make up for eating, can’t have a treat because they’re “being good”. Asking each other what they have for lunch and comparing carbs or protein, or discussing why they have to have a salad because they had a takeaway at the weekend.

we have a couple at work and I’m at the point of requesting to wfh the days they’re in as it fucks me off so much. It makes me really conscious of what I eat in the office and I absolutely don’t want them dragging me into it.

i’d rather have a militant vegan tbh. At least their virtue signalling is based on ethics rather than self deprivation.

Congratulations.

I know it was available in 90s as I had my son in 97 and was using Quorn for years before that.

I spoke of 15 years... I didn't say start date.

Just congratulate yourself and feel smug.

I don't care what your vendetta is. It's funny.

To be fair, vegans usually love animals and don't want to see people eating them, knowing full well they've likely been reared in awful conditions and then been gassed, electrocuted, bolted through the brain or worse, had their throats slit fully conscious just for a sandwich. Especially when there's easily available alternatives. So I kinda get it. Like, if it were cats or dogs going through this hell, most people would be like "hey, have you considered eating an apple or some pasta instead?" but because it's a pig or a cow or a chicken, people don't think it matters. It's pretty hypocritical when you think about it.

They’re right though. That’s just the facts. The uncomfortable truth for us all is that life on dairy farms isn’t actually like Old Macdonalds farm.

I think it’s fine to teach children where their meat and dairy products come from, without over sanitising the reality.

I clearly wouldn’t hand out graphic leaflets to little children, but for anyone 13+ I think they need full info about the meat and dairy industry to allow them to make an informed choice about their values.

I speak as a lifelong 60 year old vegetarian who tries to be as vegan as possible, and who greatly admires those who are totally vegan.

oh and the only people throughout my life to bang on and on about veganism have been meat eaters, outraged by someone’s vegan or veggie choice when they’re gobbling down cow bottom 🤣🤣🤣🙄

Weird post. It’s like saying all meat eaters are annoying because….I am not a vegan, but try to eat a mostly plant based diet. I think veganism is the future.

I've been vegetarian since 1987, it's my choice and doesn't often come up in conversation. I also adopt rescued ex racing greyhounds. Since 1997, we've brought 8 greyhounds into our home, we've loved and cherished them and they are/were loving, funny and incredibly loyal. Compared with life in kennels, they probably thought they'd died and gone to heaven! I do find it hypocritical when people claim to 'love' animals but continue eating them. As Paul McCartney says 'If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would turn veggie' 😉

You buy organic farm. Do you think animals are transported from their organic farm to your plate on a little fluffy clouds, escorted by unicorns?

Have you any idea of the horrific suffering animals endure in slaughterhouses and if you don't care, why is that? Lots of healthier options. Have you heard of legumes for example?

Are you ok? Genuinely? I’m concerned as your overreaction to my perfectly polite correction of when a food company began, is very odd indeed. Are you having a rough time at the minute? Genuine question by the way?

Thats a decision for people to make for themselves, not to have it inflicted on them because someone else thinks they should know.

And it was little kids they were handing these leaflets out to, one of them was dressed in a mascot costume so we're aiming to get very young kids interested before handing out their obscene leaflets.

Thats indefensible.

Now I don’t get the point of keeping an animal alive that has no quality of life.

We have two types of vegans around here.One type constantly makes everything about themselves. They never contribute food to potlucks, never host and sulk if they aren't fed well enough when visiting others in their opinion. The other group never makes a fuss. They always invite people over for meals, eat whatever is available when visiting others or bring food and they always bring plenty of food to potlucks.I’ve given up on the first group. My life is too short.

My SIL used to be like the second person you describe - she gave up on veganism and is just pescatarian now which is so much easier but she never made a fuss when she was vegan.

Oh, you accidentally made my coffee with cows milk? No problem I’ll drink it anyway, waste not want not.

Oh this meat free thing you have bought for your bbq actually contains egg? I recognise you trying to include me and I’ll eat it anyway.

Much more practical. Much less annoying.

Veganism is defintely not the future.

It took me way too long to realise that the first group could make an effort themselves.

I prepared perfectly good vegan food while they did nothing but complain. Dining out was of their choice of restaurant every time or more complaining.
One day as guests in our home there was alcohol in a dessert — even though everything else was 100% vegan and a another dessert was served which was vegan/non alcoholic. I have heard for that alkohol dessert five drops or so for soo long and I was criticized for failing to bring a vegan dish to a communal meal in a volunteer setting (where few people were vegan and no vegans contributed). I really don't see it as my responsibility.

That was the end of my hospitality. No more. The second group no problems at all. I can serve whatever I like at their visits they don't mind dishes with meat but just help themselves to the vegan dishes. Often more people attend and have different habits. Makes things so much easier. Eating out is a oh what can we do so we are all happy not just attending fancy vegan places.

We aren't vegans but we eat very little meat so vegan cooking is a skill in our house but enough can be enough.

It’s hardly ‘making a fuss’ as a vegan to not drink the cows milk you accidentally put in the coffee or not eat something with egg in. It’s just being vegan.

People can’t make decisions without the facts, and incredibly, many people are still unaware of the suffering animals go through.

For that reason , I think it’s completely fine to wake people up to the cruelty of the meat and dairy industry. As I’ve said, obviously little children don’t need to see the reality, but there is no problem with teens and adults being provided with the full facts.

Totally agree. We see pics of rotten teeth on fag packets so the meat counter should have pics and footage of slaughterhouses for transparency.

Some folk seem to think if the animals they eat lived <allegedly> on a pretty farm they weren't then subjected to torture and a horrible death. If they showed films in school I bet kids would all be veggie.

Actually a lot of the time it is making a fuss, particularly when someone has gone out of their way to buy or make something to include your dietary preferences and they didn’t get it quite right. Why would a person who isn’t vegan, particular an older person, have any idea that they won’t consume certain types of wine? Or that honey is off limits to some vegans. The point is, it’s much more tolerable to recognise when people have made an effort and just bloody well eat it anyway without fussing - it won’t kill them.

Lovely SIL really never expected anyone to cater for her preferences at all and was extremely grateful when they had tried. Other vegans won’t flex and make it uncomfortable for everyone or worse, try to dictate what others can eat around them - I had a vegan tell me I couldn’t order ribs at a restaurant once because she didn’t want to look at it!

People can make decisions without all of the facts.

We do it all the time.

Theres a wealth of information easily accessible to everyone 24/7 so if someone is choosing not to get that information first, that's their right. It's not up to some random on the street to be issuing leaflets about rape and murder in order to fuel their own ego.

It is. A quick google will tell you that governments are investing literally millions in it!

None of us can predict the future, but veganism and vegetarianism are increasing.

My kids are teens and early twenties and between them and their friendship groups, there are loads of vegetarians and vegans. Others eat vegan in the week and then eat some non vegan foods at weekends. They are eating less meat though. Their generation seems to be more concerned about animal welfare, their health, and the planet than previous generations and believe that less meat is the way to go. If that continues, they’ll bring up their kids the same way. People are eating
less meat than they used to.

Change that stays often happens slowly. I think and hope the future is vegan. There is much intelligent discussion about it from experts.
I would listen to them over people who have gone on threads previously just to wind up vegans, talk about bacon sandwiches and say all the vegans they know look ill etc.

A complete non-comparison. Smoking is unilaterally bad for you. I know some vegans like to claim that meat is bad for you too but it just isn’t the case and many people switch back to eating meat because they aren’t healthy on a vegan only diet.

Even my friend who used to be quite militant has relented over the years and will eat eggs from domestically kept chickens, and ate eggs from anywhere throughout her pregnancy, because she recognises the health benefits and didn’t want her child to develop an egg allergy.

Veganism isn’t increasing though. It’s been on the decline since it peaked in 2019/2020.

If someone made me a coffee with cow's milk I'd rather drink it than it go down the sink and a new one be made for me with plant milk. But unfortunately I really dislike the taste of cow's milk now after not having it for many years and worse still, there would be some pretty unpleasant consequences. I find if you don't consume lactose regularly you lose the ability to digest it and it gives rise to some pretty potent farts. So, taking all things into account, I'd ask for a fresh one.

With the meat-free thing for the bbq, I'd ask if that could be refrigerated or frozen and eaten by someone else another day. But if it were going to go to waste, I'd probably eat it depending on how eggy it was because I can't stand eggs.

What I wouldn't be doing is recognising the host's 'efforts' at trying to include me.