Vegans

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I find them a bit meh. I'm happy for them to do their own thing if they leave me alone. I think this is overstepping. Do vegans not have pets? After all, keeping pets is just forcing animals to live and be controlled by humans.

BBC News - Darlington birds of prey event cancelled after vegan groups' concern - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6214l61604o?app-referrer=deep-link

'Actually a lot of the time it is making a fuss, particularly when someone has gone out of their way to buy or make something to include your dietary preferences'

'Making a fuss'. Fgs. If someone presented me with a burger I wouldn't eat it to be polite. Your poor sil seems to have been surrounded by thick, intolerant people. We have veggies, vegans and meat eaters in our extended family. I'd never expect anyone just eat whatever the fuck I present them with because I'm too thick to plan accordingly.

What I wouldn't be doing is recognising the host's 'efforts' at trying to include me.

Well that’s just rude isn’t it. I repeat my comment above - you can’t expect people, particularly older people, to have a complete understanding of what you will or won’t eat. In the bbq example, they have tried and got it wrong. No need to make them feel bad. A bit of egg won’t kill you. In the coffee example, it was just a force of habit. If you care about the planet you should care about wasting food.

No one ever presented her with a beef burger what a ridiculous hyperbole and deliberate misinterpretation of what I said. I am talking about examples of when someone has gone out of their way to buy something they think is suitable (Quorn is a good example) and unfortunately they haven’t quite got it right. No need to be a performative dick about it.

'A complete non-comparison. Smoking is unilaterally bad for you. I know some vegans like to claim that meat is bad for you too but it just isn’t the case '

It is bad for the animals though, suffering horrible deaths and people should see that suffering before they eat their burgers and pies. If they don't care, well that says mores about them but a lot of people have a total disconnect between the cute lambs and cows in the fields and how their body parts ends up on their plates.

You've literally said she's a kind of vegan unless someone forgets and she's too polte to <checks notes> 'cause a fuss'. In which case she isn't a vegan.

Well that’s just rude isn’t it.
No
I repeat my comment above - you can’t expect people, particularly older people, to have a complete understanding of what you will or won’t eat.
Don't provide anything then, I'll bring my own food to this hypothetical bbq
No need to make them feel bad.
Why would I make them feel bad? I can't make anybody feel anything.
A bit of egg won’t kill you.
Helloooo! It's not about the egg...
If you care about the planet you should care about wasting food.
I do. Very much.

I'm not sure why you are so obsessed @BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw and I'm even more puzzled as to where you are getting your facts from. There's no critical thinking going on that's for sure.

If you eat meat you are not a vegan.

Reminds me of this card.

Yes it is rude. Extremely. Don’t forget your diet is just a preference, you don’t have an allergy.

I’m not obsessed. I’m just pointing out that society finds vegans much less insufferable when they have the capacity to be just a tiny bit flexible. She obviously wouldn’t sit down and eat a steak, but if someone forgot, she would just politely eat the sides. You don’t need to be so puritanical about it.

The egg has already been used - worse to waste all that suffering surely!

Just to be clear @BakedPotatoBeansCheeseColeslaw if someone can't take the time to get my drink right - black would do if you don't have plant milk - I've got to consume a drink I don't like which is going to give me an upset stomach and make me fart?
People take you take the full-of-palm-oil biscuit 😡

You really don’t want to elaborate on your own situation do you @Gloriia . Like whether you raised your own kids vegetarians , whether you made your disgust on meat eaters apparent to them, and whether they are still vegetarian.

So I’d be confident the answer is
Yes you raised them vegetarian
yes you made you disgust for meat eaters abundantly clear to your children

and no… they are not vegetarians as adults!

Fuck me, never mind the laughable post way back along the lines of, what do all the vegans think would happen..? you can't even comprehend what I wrote.
I would try to not let the food go to waste. I may have it, I may not. But I would try to be flexible as you put it.
As for rude, it's not necessarily rude to refuse something. It can be rude not to remember people's preferences.
And while I don't an allergy, I am senstive to it and don't wish to have an upset stomach and spend the night farting so as not to offend someone who can't be bothered to give me suitable food or drink. Or nothing. As I have said if you'd only read my posts. But of course you have, you're just spoiling for a fight.

Others eat vegan in the week and then eat some non vegan foods at weekends. They are eating less meat though.

You didn’t actually describe these people as vegan did you @WhenYouAreReady ????

This is such a uniquely mumsnet chat.

In RL I honestly can’t think of one chat I’ve had about this with any of my fellow meat eater friends, vegans or vegetarians. Which just exist happily with one another and enjoy one another’s company over dinner!

No one is saying that - it was just an example of when vegans have been far less of a bore

I raised my children as vegetarians. Both still vegetarian. One vegan.

It is exactly what you are saying. The fact that you can't see that says it all really.
By the way, I'd consider eating lionfish which are an invasive species in some parts of the world which gives me an idea about some MNers...

Again with your burgers and pies

Why not use “chicken salad” and “chicken wraps” as your examples @Gloriia ?

Well, great.

I wasn’t asking you though 😕

Vegans have taken the time and trouble to find out what is done to living creatures before they end up on your plate. You're free to stay ignorant, but far from "meh" vegans have a conscience and live by that. They're admirable.

Are you a vegan?

I expect they’re sharing the reality of meat and daily farms to stand up for animal rights, not to fuel their own egos 🙄

If they wanted to share the reality and be listened to they would do it in a different way. The way they go about it shows they are fuelling their own egos

It’s like the old joke - how do you know if someone is a vegan? They’ll tell you

Do they? Completely out of context start lecturing you about veganism? No they don’t unless you know some very strange people.