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To ask why there are no riots?

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Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:29

Where are the rioters today? If the roles were reversed and a man of colour was going out and terrorising white people it would be the number one story on the BBC and Herr Farage would be calling for action on the streets. Right now it's the sixth story on the BBC.

Similarly, with the atrocious and heartbreaking case of the baby who was abused and murdered. If the perpetrators hadn't been white there would have been bedlam on the streets by 'degenerate thugs concerned citizens'. The issue is clearly men, but rabid racists, the media and the malign agitators who whip them up into a frenzy never seem to be outraged when it's one of their own.

BBC News - Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

Topless man with knife with face blurred

Man charged after suspected anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh

Two people were injured close to a mosque and a man was later seen battering the door of a pizzeria as members of the public run away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

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LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 17:57

nomas · 22/06/2026 17:31

Libellous against the British ethnic group by a Brit? Good luck finding a lawyer to fight that libel case in court for you.

Right on cue.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 17:59

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 17:32

If only the very same poster hadn't followed up with an open admission that they are "uncomfortable" around ethnic minorities, then it would look a lot less like you are just desperately bending over backwards in an attempt to defend a blatant racist.

You might see a racist, I necessarily don't.

PenelopeJoanSterling · 22/06/2026 18:02

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 05:52

The hatred, division and racism we're seeing is being stoked by the elite from well known figures like Musk to much shadowier figures like Smith who owns 55 Tufton Street. They want us to hate one another, they're especially egging on the working and under classes in the UK, to take the heat of off them. If you believe immigrants and people of colour are the source of all your problems you're far less likely to turn on the dozen men who own half the world's wealth and are robbing every single one of us while destroying the planet and our democracies. The media frenzy and far right agitators which whip up these riots and stoke the division that fuel it are all to quiet when the stories don't fit their narrative of the immigrant boogeyman.

yet the key point people choose to riot, ? so why blame musk etc

nomas · 22/06/2026 18:03

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 17:57

Right on cue.

Bit of a non-answer. Do you not want to share the basis for why it's libellous then?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 18:29

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 17:59

You might see a racist, I necessarily don't.

Oh I very definitely see a racist alright. Begs the question why you can not when the poster themselves has openly admitted it.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 18:42

Well as the police appeared to be more likely to arrest and charge the girls for being victims rather than the men, we don’t know how many perpetrators there are, no.

Are you actually claiming that the Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslim grooming gangs are treated in the same way that all other sex offenders are?

The two tier policing is characterised by many actions such as the police delivering raped girls back to the perpetrators, the police allegedly joining in the rapes, the failure of governments to implement the recommendations of the Casey report, the years it took for the convictions of some of the girls to be quashed.

Officials of organisations like councils and social services refused to protect the girls for a variety of reasons that include being too worried about accusations of racism.

Even last week, Rotherham victim Samantha Townsend was invited onto Good Morning Britain to talk about rape gangs and her horrendous experiences over years. She was told by a producer not to mention the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

Even though it was a key factor in her abuse - Pakistani Muslim men specifically targeting white girls and humiliating them for being Christian and white. How many white sex offenders enjoy that degree of protection? The white female victims can only dream of that level of protection.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 18:44

nomas · 22/06/2026 17:30

That is a disgusting and unfounded negative generalisation that you only get away with because you are attacking British people. If anyone else made a similar negative generalisation about any other ethnic group the police would be on their doorstep already.

Since when is 'British' an ethnic group? There are black, white, brown people from Britain.

People who have originated from the British Isles.

British citizens are not an ethnic group as citizenship can be achieved by a number of routes.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 18:45

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 18:29

Oh I very definitely see a racist alright. Begs the question why you can not when the poster themselves has openly admitted it.

Well you get so used to the racist word being thrown out left right and centre, its hard to keep up. So I have no intention of defending my own observations. You conclude what you like.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 18:52

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 18:45

Well you get so used to the racist word being thrown out left right and centre, its hard to keep up. So I have no intention of defending my own observations. You conclude what you like.

Along with facist, it has become meaningless.

I was called a fascist the other day for saying that I wanted a conversation about immigration. The poster doubled down when asked to confirm that me just wanting a conversation makes me a fascist 🤣

Obviously by that measure, most of this left wing Labour government are fascists - especially the Home Office. They must have conversations about immigration every day.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 18:55

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 18:52

Along with facist, it has become meaningless.

I was called a fascist the other day for saying that I wanted a conversation about immigration. The poster doubled down when asked to confirm that me just wanting a conversation makes me a fascist 🤣

Obviously by that measure, most of this left wing Labour government are fascists - especially the Home Office. They must have conversations about immigration every day.

They don't know what fascism means days. Trying to shut down conversation IS part of fascist thinking.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 19:01

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 18:45

Well you get so used to the racist word being thrown out left right and centre, its hard to keep up. So I have no intention of defending my own observations. You conclude what you like.

Translation -

I'm so sick of hearing the word "racism", I'm just going to ignore racists and racism.

cookbookjunkie · 22/06/2026 19:15

Probably because, in spite of there being many, many more white men in this country than black/brown/Muslim men, and plenty of those white men are undoubtedly hostile to Islam and frequently quite racist, it's a very rare occurrence for a white man to target and attack black and brown Muslims with a bladed weapon. Proportionally speaking, it's almost unheard of.

Whereas proportionally speaking, it's not anywhere near as rare to find black or brown men frequently from Muslim backgrounds (but not always) and frequently from illegal immigrant/asylum seeker backgrounds attacking people with bladed weapons. And being involved in crime generally. Proportionally speaking it's not that rare, unfortunately.

Also, the other pretty obvious reason is that the white men doing the attacking are probably British by birth and as horrible as they might be, there is very little point in rioting to demand that the government deports them, is there?

Whereas, sorry to point out the obvious, but every time an immigrant who wasn't born here does something like this, (especially when it turns out that they are an illegal immigrant or someone who has sought asylum and then repaid our kindness by living a life of violence and crime) certain questions are bound to be asked.

If the government was doing its job properly then very often those people would not have been here in the first place and therefore their victims would not have been attacked. It's frustration and anger over that and the depressing number of times it keeps happening that causes protests and in extreme cases like the Southport child murders, civil unrest.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 19:19

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 19:01

Translation -

I'm so sick of hearing the word "racism", I'm just going to ignore racists and racism.

Nope, incorrect. When I see racism - no matter from white or black people - I will speak accordingly. You won't be pushing me into playing along with your own confirmation bias. Find another player.

BoredZelda · 22/06/2026 20:34

HowMuchMoreIsThere · 21/06/2026 11:13

Oh my word. I suppose you have a benign explanation for the murderer’s mother hiding the knife too.

The “information the police had” included Henry Nowak repeatedly telling them he had been stabbed. Clearly you discount this information for some reason. I couldn’t possibly guess what that reason is.

People who are arrested often will claim a medical reason they shouldn’t be arrested. That is also a piece of information the police had.

Not that it matters to you, you want to convince yourself it’s all down to two-tier policing blah blah blah.

Abhannmor · 22/06/2026 20:43

Eerily quiet in Belfast. No riots , burnings or civil disorder after a prominent politician was found guilty of raping and sexually abusing children.

I suppose they have to save energy for the 12th July.

kkloo · 22/06/2026 20:44

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 18:52

Along with facist, it has become meaningless.

I was called a fascist the other day for saying that I wanted a conversation about immigration. The poster doubled down when asked to confirm that me just wanting a conversation makes me a fascist 🤣

Obviously by that measure, most of this left wing Labour government are fascists - especially the Home Office. They must have conversations about immigration every day.

Yep, it's amazing really, what were previously considered moderate, normal, fair and respectable views and they were views held by the majority about 10 years ago, are now considered racist, fascist and far right extremist 😂😂 Ok then.

HowMuchMoreIsThere · 22/06/2026 21:14

BoredZelda · 22/06/2026 20:34

People who are arrested often will claim a medical reason they shouldn’t be arrested. That is also a piece of information the police had.

Not that it matters to you, you want to convince yourself it’s all down to two-tier policing blah blah blah.

So in your view it was acceptable and reasonable for the police to let an innocent young man, pleading for help, bleed to death in handcuffs because of the lies of a murderer (which lies, even if they had been true, would not have been a reason to fail to get medical help for Henry Nowak. But they WERE complete lies.).

So in your view the police were reasonable to believe the lies of a (non-white) murderer and ignore the truth spoken by his innocent (white) victim. Even though the victim’s life might have depended on it?

But yet you still claim two tier policing is a myth?

Incredible. Horrible.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 22/06/2026 21:21

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 19:19

Nope, incorrect. When I see racism - no matter from white or black people - I will speak accordingly. You won't be pushing me into playing along with your own confirmation bias. Find another player.

"confirmation bias"

Jesus wept.

ApplesAreNotRaspberries · 22/06/2026 21:29

Firetreev · 21/06/2026 09:03

Definitely not! But it's well documented that Farage was a fan of them.

Thank you for trying to stand up to protect the reputation of Germans but as a German national may I say that I fully agree with the op and though I can't speak for all Germans I am happy for OP to remind everyone how easily people can be led to demonise their fellow human beings with catastrophic consequences for everyone. Thank you op.

ApplesAreNotRaspberries · 22/06/2026 21:31

kkloo · 22/06/2026 20:44

Yep, it's amazing really, what were previously considered moderate, normal, fair and respectable views and they were views held by the majority about 10 years ago, are now considered racist, fascist and far right extremist 😂😂 Ok then.

Edited

The home office isn't fascist. It's populist. And it doesn't realise (or doesn't care) how it's anti immigration rhetoric is normalising more extreme and violent forms of nationalism and notions of white supremacy.

nomas · 22/06/2026 21:51

cookbookjunkie · 22/06/2026 19:15

Probably because, in spite of there being many, many more white men in this country than black/brown/Muslim men, and plenty of those white men are undoubtedly hostile to Islam and frequently quite racist, it's a very rare occurrence for a white man to target and attack black and brown Muslims with a bladed weapon. Proportionally speaking, it's almost unheard of.

Whereas proportionally speaking, it's not anywhere near as rare to find black or brown men frequently from Muslim backgrounds (but not always) and frequently from illegal immigrant/asylum seeker backgrounds attacking people with bladed weapons. And being involved in crime generally. Proportionally speaking it's not that rare, unfortunately.

Also, the other pretty obvious reason is that the white men doing the attacking are probably British by birth and as horrible as they might be, there is very little point in rioting to demand that the government deports them, is there?

Whereas, sorry to point out the obvious, but every time an immigrant who wasn't born here does something like this, (especially when it turns out that they are an illegal immigrant or someone who has sought asylum and then repaid our kindness by living a life of violence and crime) certain questions are bound to be asked.

If the government was doing its job properly then very often those people would not have been here in the first place and therefore their victims would not have been attacked. It's frustration and anger over that and the depressing number of times it keeps happening that causes protests and in extreme cases like the Southport child murders, civil unrest.

Edited

Probably because, in spite of there being many, many more white men in this country than black/brown/Muslim men, and plenty of those white men are undoubtedly hostile to Islam and frequently quite racist, it's a very rare occurrence for a white man to target and attack black and brown Muslims with a bladed weapon. Proportionally speaking, it's almost unheard of.

Bullshit. What are your stats? Here are some incidents:

The Mold Tesco Machete Attack (January 2015): Zack Davies, a 26-year-old white man obsessed with neo-Nazi ideology, brutally attacked Dr Sarandev Bhambra, a 24-year-old Asian dentist, inside a Tesco supermarket in Mold, North Wales. Davies screamed "white power" and "remember Lee Rigby" while striking Dr Bhambra from behind with a 30cm machete and a claw hammer. Dr Bhambra survived with life-changing injuries, and Davies was sentenced to life in prison for attempted murder. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Mohammed Saleem (April 2013): Pavlo Lapshyn, a 25-year-old Ukrainian postgraduate student with extreme white supremacist views, fataly stabbed 82-year-old Mohammed Saleem as the grandfather walked home from evening prayers at a mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham. Lapshyn stabbed the victim three times in the back simply because he was a Muslim. He later went on to plant nail bombs outside three mosques in the West Midlands before being caught. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Stephen Lawrence (April 1993): Though just slightly outside the 30-year window, this landmark case remains the most culturally significant racist knife attack in modern British history. Stephen Lawrence, an 18-year-old Black teenager, was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths while waiting for a bus in Eltham, South London. The subsequent Macpherson Report famously concluded that the Metropolitan Police investigation was marred by institutional racism. 1, 2, 3, 4]

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 22:00

BoredZelda · 22/06/2026 20:34

People who are arrested often will claim a medical reason they shouldn’t be arrested. That is also a piece of information the police had.

Not that it matters to you, you want to convince yourself it’s all down to two-tier policing blah blah blah.

The police also had the information in front of them that there was an unarmed, non violent young man on the ground who was clearly weakening and claiming he’d been stabbed.

They had precisely zero reasons not to check him to verify.

Not that it matters to you, you want to convince yourself it’s all down to two-tier policing blah blah blah.

It’s written into the police code of conduct. They have promised to review it. Your callous dismissal is quite shocking - a young man has lost his life - have some respect.

Goatsarebest · 22/06/2026 22:05

You could always start your own riot if you think there is inequality in rioting.

Dexternight · 22/06/2026 22:15

I can't believe there no riots for baby Preston.
Imagine if it had been Muslims or immigrants.

I can't hear or see Tommy Robinson, or Farage organizing riots.

Why?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 22/06/2026 22:21

nomas · 22/06/2026 21:51

Probably because, in spite of there being many, many more white men in this country than black/brown/Muslim men, and plenty of those white men are undoubtedly hostile to Islam and frequently quite racist, it's a very rare occurrence for a white man to target and attack black and brown Muslims with a bladed weapon. Proportionally speaking, it's almost unheard of.

Bullshit. What are your stats? Here are some incidents:

The Mold Tesco Machete Attack (January 2015): Zack Davies, a 26-year-old white man obsessed with neo-Nazi ideology, brutally attacked Dr Sarandev Bhambra, a 24-year-old Asian dentist, inside a Tesco supermarket in Mold, North Wales. Davies screamed "white power" and "remember Lee Rigby" while striking Dr Bhambra from behind with a 30cm machete and a claw hammer. Dr Bhambra survived with life-changing injuries, and Davies was sentenced to life in prison for attempted murder. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Mohammed Saleem (April 2013): Pavlo Lapshyn, a 25-year-old Ukrainian postgraduate student with extreme white supremacist views, fataly stabbed 82-year-old Mohammed Saleem as the grandfather walked home from evening prayers at a mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham. Lapshyn stabbed the victim three times in the back simply because he was a Muslim. He later went on to plant nail bombs outside three mosques in the West Midlands before being caught. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Stephen Lawrence (April 1993): Though just slightly outside the 30-year window, this landmark case remains the most culturally significant racist knife attack in modern British history. Stephen Lawrence, an 18-year-old Black teenager, was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths while waiting for a bus in Eltham, South London. The subsequent Macpherson Report famously concluded that the Metropolitan Police investigation was marred by institutional racism. 1, 2, 3, 4]

What are you trying to demonstrate with this information?

You’ve found a racist murder by British men from 33 years ago which instigated huge changes in British policing, an attempted murder from 2015 by a British man and another murder by a Ukrainian. Why have you included a non British man if you are trying to refute pps claim?

Have you done a search on the number of people murdered by Islamist terrorists in the last 33 years? That would not include many other murders like Rhiannon Whyte, Thomas Roberts, Brenda Blaine, Wayne Broadhurst, Katie Fox, Harvey Willgoose etc or attempted murders of white people by people of colour.