Transgender niece

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My niece lives in another country and I’ve just heard that she is becoming a he. She has changed her name, is taking hormone medication and now has facial hair. She is a transgender boy. However she sees herself as a boy. AIBU to think she will never be a biological boy and to refer to her as a transgender boy? I realise this could be an emotive topic.

I don't live in Afghanistan. Why would the expectations of a bunch of weirdos in Afghanistan be relevant to anything? Are you in Afghanistan? I don't understand your point.

Afghanistan is part of the world society. Thus, the world society restricts women's choices.

Ah, but you want to talk only about Europe, right? Or even just the UK? Well, it's well-known that these countries do NOT harbour their own "weirdos", such as religious extremists who teach the women in their families and congregations how to live. Very well-known indeed.*

I myself grew up in a Christian fundamentalist family and church. I had to follow strict rules, or face harsh punishment and possibly expulsion from my family and congregation. Telling me that every choice I made was of my own free volition is beyond laughable.

( * This is sarcasm, just in case it's not obvious.)

@Seethlaw I myself grew up in a Christian fundamentalist family and church. I had to follow strict rules, or face harsh punishment and possibly expulsion from my family and congregation.

Once you're 18, you're legally able to make all of your own decisions.

I tend not to get overly hung up on things that happened when I was younger than 18. That was a long time ago.

That's your prerogative, but you cannot extend it to others. Some of us carry the scars of our education for decades.

Girls are being told by society from the moment they are born how to live. That is the simple truth. End of story.

Mind you, boys are too (toxic masculinity, anyone?) Men just don't care to protect themselves and the boys, as much as women care to protect themselves and the girls.

@Seethlaw Girls are being told by society from the moment they are born how to live. That is the simple truth. End of story.

If you don't want to wear a dress, there is nothing to stop you from wearing a shirt and trousers.

The word trans literally means changing from one thing to another 😂

You... think... I'm talking about clothes? Clothes!? ... OMG...

I'm talking about clothes. I am absolutely clear that there is no such thing as "male-coded clothing." That does not exist.

Hum, no, we were talking about gender.

No. Don't be absurd.

You're not that important, basic manners cost nothing.

I'm not quite sure how people like this would operate if they met a trans person since it's obvious not many have.

Do you realise how rude and intentionally hurtful you would come across to everyone else? People like this, I feel, are full of online bluster, but are terrified to show who they really are in public.

My soon to be 16 year old cousin, who i haven't seen since they were 5, is transgender. They aren't hurting anyone, live and let live.

Why do you care so much? Does it really affect you either way?

So when women are punished more severely than men for certain crimes?

So when women are raped & not believed?

So when girls/women are told what they wear "caused" a crime against them?

So - rape gangs? Young girls raped, but prosecuted them selves when they tried to get help?

I could go on ...

I disagree. Anyone who is perpetuating the this unevidenced and contested belief system is contributing to reinforcing regressive stereotypes. Not to mention various off shoots related to women’s right, child safeguarding and free speech.

Of course she care about her niece and her interactions with her. What a bizarre comment

I’d absolutely love one of the batshit posters on here to define what they think a woman is. Because to define a woman, unless you are going to spout for a load of outdated gender stereotypes, you will have to acknowledge that a trans identifying biological male cannot possibly be a woman. “Trans women are women” means absolutely nothing in reality if you cannot define what a woman is. If you go for the stereotypes, it makes you the regressive ones, not the rest of us.

The trans movement has more in common with a religious cult than with the gay rights movement

Unlike the gay rights movent, the trans movement:

• Is based not on a truth (that there is nothing wrong with being romantically/sexually attracted to someone of the same sex) but on a lie (that it is possible to change sex and/or that an ineffable 'gender identity' should be used to define whether someone is a man or a woman, rather than their biological sex)

• is not claiming rights which don't affect other people, but is demanding concessions (men entering women's spaces, children having medical treatments) which have consequences for others

• is not using peaceful demonstrations but is issuing rape and death threats

• is not gaining sympathy with the general population over time, but on the contrary is losing sympathy. YouGov polls show that agreement with the main aims of the trans movement (eg men being allowed to use women's spaces) has fallen in the UK over the last decade

Like a religious cult, the trans ideology:

• demands its adherents accept impossible beliefs (that it is possible to change sex, that what makes someone a woman or a man is their 'inner essence' rather than their objective biological sex)

• will not allow any discussion of its beliefs

• encourages its adherents to reject their own friends and family if their friends and family question the ideology

• is preying on the most vulnerable in society (children, especially autistic children, those who have a history of trauma or sexual abuse, and those who have grown up in the care system)

• rejects the testimony of those adherents who escape (de-transitioners)

So yeah, many of us are concerned about this issue. It's not because we're all Nazis/bigots/tiny-minded ladies who can't mind their own business. We're concerned both for the vulnerable children and young people who believe it and for the women who are being attacked for trying to defend scientific truth, freedom of expression, and women's rights to safety and fair treatment. I hope any undecided lurkers who read this can see that our concerns are sincere. I think the uncaring attitude of many of the trans rights activist posters speaks for itself

Well, no, you can't. That's the point.

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Oh, threats of violence. How original.

Also, trans people in the UK have all the rights they need already.

That a threat?

Can't be, can it? Everyone knows that trans people and their supporters are peaceful people who would never assault anyone, right?