Not all men, but always men

[Amodernhistory]

Driving home from work tonight to the main news stories on the radio being 1) man tortures adopted baby to death and 2) man arrested after child ends up in crocodile enclosure at zoo.

I am absolutely sick of the daily onslaught of problematic men, monsters, committing outrages. That’s all, no suggestions, just AIBU to be sickened by this constant stream of beasts who live amongst us (Gisele Pelicot’s husband, recent terrorist attacks, daily murders of women by men) combined with personal experiences of men who ‘you wouldn’t have thought it to look at him’ turning out to be sex pests and paedophiles is putting me right off them as a sex class. Not your man, not your son, not my (lovely) Dad, but all the other men… how do we know which ones?

Its hard not to conclude it’s a man problem.

That crocodile zoo incident is crazy. I can't begin to fathom the motive.

The horrible Preston Davey case has made me despair really. The depths that men can sink to is just beyond the imagination of most women. Adopting a baby just to abuse him.

Myra Hindley and Rose West? Both abused women with likely SEN. They bore responsibility and paid the price but I don't think anyone could argue their crimes would have still been committed if they hadn't been involved with those men.

Only because our government are too cowardly to actually record the official statistics. Have a look at the danish records ! Or Germany! It’s not a myth and trying to pretend it is just makes you look like a do gooder who remains largely unaffected by the continuing influx of men from less than desirable cultures.

Baby P, Victoria Climbe, Arthur Labinjo-Hughes, and Star Hobson were all murdered by women, to name but a few.

I was very upset yesterday reading comments underneath the story of a woman who was raped in her sleep. Lots of men saying it was her duty as a wife or it must have been her fault for not giving him sex or they were married so she couldn’t complain. Lots and lots of comments. It made
me want to cry. I never used to be fearful but
I am uncomfortable now about being out alone. The trust has gone for me and that’s so sad.

Women rarely kill for sexual pleasure or opportunistically. It’s usually mental illness or deep coercion like Constance Martin. And no one is ‘absolving’ them. They are just saying it’s statistically insignificant compared the harm that men as a sex class do. Why are you so defensive about this?

Not all men are abusers, but nearly all abusers are men. Even when women are convicted they are seldom the sole/lone abuser and there will also be men involved.

I agree, usually weak women with low IQs who choose the new boyfriend over the safety of their own child.

I agree, racist underhand comment!

Oh no. I absolutely agree some immigrant men are a probpem and government needs to deal with that, but violence by our "own" men is a much bigger problem, and all the time you (and others) pretend it isn't, nothing is being done to address that.

Always always these threads are derailed by people naming women who have committed terrible crimes. The fact that there is a short list of women or victims of women who can be named actually makes the opposite point than the one they hope to make. The numbers of men who commit these crimes is so vast that they are nameless thousands of them. No one is claiming that women don’t commit violent crimes. The rates are vastly different.

So what? That’s four. Let’s list all the deaths caused by men shall we?

In March Jess Phillips read out in parliament the names of 100 women killed by males in the previous year - there were actually 111 but 11 were not known by name. 19 were killed by their sons. In one year. Let that sink in.

I’m not having that. There isn’t a “fair few” at all.

TBF sarcasm doesn’t translate well in text - and on these forums there’s always people who say these things seriously

You've just proven the point. In all of those cases a man was also convicted.

Where are all the cases where a woman was the only perpetrator?

If you’re going to say it always men, you can expect to be challenged. Yes men offend at a much higher rate than women, but women are in that mix too. Usually men, yes. Too often men, also yes. Too many men, also yes. Always men, no.

The rate of mothers murdering their children vs fathers murdering their children are about 50/50 in fact.

Posters are justified in bringing up women abusers/murderers. You've specifically chosen a thread title that says "always men" so they are rightly pointing out that very occasionally it's women too. It's mostly men, not always. If you Google UK women child murderers it brings up plenty.

Nothing absolutely nothing like the numbers of men.

Lauren Wade, Leiland James-Corkhill.

Star Hobson was murdered by two women.

Arthur’s stepmother was by far the main abuser and murderer.

You can’t tell how dangerous a man is by the colour of his skin or his nationality.

Did anyone really think that the perpetrator in this awful case today at the zoo would be a woman? That’s what “always men” means. Not that it’s never a woman, but it’s so unusual as to be a total surprise. No one is asking for a debate about whether sometimes women commit violence, the discussion is about why is there such a high rate of male violence.

This might be the one you're thinking of. I'll let you guess which political party he represented before you click through

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4grr3368n3o

Well said.