Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

[Whiski]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

First I ever heard of it was yesterday.

People act like it’s only non white people that do this.

Do you regularly hear specifically about Sudanese people trying to behead people in the street?

Who is saying I don't condemn all violence. I just don't have to minimise acts which would repulse any normal person. The axe case repulsed me but it doesn't take anything away from the fact that a man has lost an eye and almost his life. How is going looking for similar cases, which don't occur with the same frequency going to change that? It's look over here not there tactics.

You think it is ok to throw an autistic, anorexic young girl into jail? No wonder this country is going to the dogs. There is no human compassion or understanding in your response or in that of the authorities. Her father spelled out that she was thrown out of school because she was unwell and then neglected by medical and social services.

What she did was wrong but I don't think prison is the correct response in this case. Just look at her ffs. She looks unwell and like she would snap in two if you bumped into her.

Just calm down. She has been failed by the same state that failed all the victims in Nottingham, Belfast, Southampton. Our state services have been hollowed out over 3 or 4 decades and they just do not serve us anymore. People feel that on a day to day basis with bin collections, potholes, GP appointments, and useless politicians. It is wrong to scapegoat immigrants but I honestly think most of the anger is directed at the government, not at racialised others.

Yes, it was widely reported. We have indigenous, mentally deranged, dangerous maniacs aplenty. All the more reason for not importing foreign ones.

It’s more the fact we have enough mental health issues with the indigenous population and cannot seem to manage those without having a load more of traumatised individuals to add to the mix.

And as a side comment, importing men who have absolutely no respect for women in their own countries (speaking broadly, perhaps individually they are feminists) and bring those values of lack of to the UK. Again when we have enough of our own rapists etc.

But you don’t know anything about her. How can you say she shouldn’t be in prison? She was found to be responsible for her actions by a court. How can you know better?

That may be true but reading that article it does say she was too unwell to go to school and the father wanted a care plan. Hard to know how much she was failed wrt help with MH.

Another example is the AR Southport crime where AS is not always relevant but reading that article she could have been struggling at home without schooling.

Im not sure why people are so shocked by the previous posters comment about being surprised a UK person would try to behead someone as opposed to someone from Sudan

In many war torn and violent unstable countries beheadings and mutiliations of the enemy is common. Its fairly common in blood feuds which travel down the generations. So people from the ME and war torn African countries are more likely to use that method against people they see as an enemy as the ultimate insult/harm. The narrative some kids from those countries grow up with is about beheading and mutilation and gouging eyes out.

Someone who is ill enough, and the perpetrator is probably very ill I woudl imagine, will be more likely to use such a method than someone born and raised in this country and with a UK heritage where beheadings in crime is uncommon and usually done for concealment purposes.

There is more regular violence in Sudan which is similar.

Op said "non-white" (although admittedly I havent read all ops posts yet where they may have corrected it to Sudanese)

She probably was too ill to go to school, many ASD kids have EBSA and/or she might not have been eating enough and perhaps had deficiences etc

Much of what is termed MH conditions and disorders for people with ASD is seen as 'behavioural' by CAMHS and MHT because its not a condition that can be treated as such, its an expression and habitual display of behaviour which simply needs to be managed by the client. Sometimes ADs or AP are given and can help, also to support sleep as well if needed.

These discussions always contain reflections about 'if onlly she was supported with her MH this wouldnt have happened' but often that is pie in the sky.

Based on professional experience l don’t think Autism is used as an ‘excuse’. But my judgement may be coloured by the fact that most of the families l supported were dealing with adult children with Autism and severe associated mental health problems, which is not uncommon. Some families had to have safe rooms to barricade themselves in when they became violent - many had grown significantly bigger and stronger than their parents and inflicted significant injury.

While l don’t know anything about this girl, l believe her father was dealing with her and said they were both let down by services, and l can well believe this to be the case given the appalling provision of MH services in the UK.

Hallelujah for common sense.

Absolutely.

Tbph I don't give two shits how autistic or anorexic she is. She tried to murder a random person on the street. Prison is the right place for her.

Absolutely this.

What is the ethnicity of the girl in this attack? Your link doesn't say. Three of the four parents quoted are not white.

Well apart from Russians but not in the UK.
I would argue within the UK no groups are well known for trying to behead people in public. It's an unusual crime here regardless of the sex and race of the perpetrator.

Yet the OP, who's been very quiet, managed to drag one case up. I'd love to know what she typed in her Google search.

Im not sure where Ive implied Im not calm. Im setting out information for people that dont seem to understand these conditions or what the threshold for hospitalisation is

Are you aware that there is a huge amount of work by MH services, social care and the NHS to prevent and avoid people with ND going into hospital, either psychiatric hospitals or general hospitals because it is hugely counterproductive for them, its destablising, distressing, likely to make them ill. Only in the most acute and dangerous circumstances should they be hospitalised, treatment at home or outpatients is the pathway for most ND patients.

She doesnt look 'unwell', she's a young pale person, who is underweight (by the looks of her, obviously I dont know), that doesnt warrant hospitalisation. If the services working with her think she should access medical care on a ward then clearly they will assess that and make that decision.

She committed a horrific crime, seemingly not caused by her being ill at the time or thereafter and therefore why wouldnt prison be the right resopnse?

If this was a small young 19 year old male, ASD and an eating disorder, neo nazi, no one would have an question about him being imprisoned. A plea from the parent that he wasnt supported and had MH issues would be scoffed at.

So can we be absolutely clear? A male immigrant attacks another man with a kitchen knife and all manner of outrage is unleashed, up to and including riots in which attempts are made to burn people alive in their homes. A radicalised 19 year old white woman takes an axe to an immigrant and MN makes excuses for her which are applauded as common sense and she apparently shouldn’t be imprisoned. Make it make sense.

Correction: another male immigrant ...

Yes as I say she probably was too ill for school. That doesnt mean if she commits a crime she should be hospitalised rather than imprisoned!!! Why would it?

And although this is theoretical, I cannot tell you how many families say they are failed by services but dont engage in what is required or the young person/child doesnt engage with sessions or medication and so services close to them as there isnt anything they can do.

Oh that’s all right then. 🙄

Tbph I don't give two shits how autistic or anorexic she is. She tried to murder a random person on the street. Prison is the right place for her..

Do you not understand that this is part of the problem ? People with MH conditions, and that includes those with Autism because there is very often an associated MH problem or learning disability, disproportionately end up in the justice system because these conditions go unsupported until they end up committing a crime and go to prison instead of accessing the help they need.

There are also people with severe mental health conditions who are in prison because the state of MH services is so inadequate that there is simply nowhere else for them to go. Better and more accessible MH services would mean earlier intervention and proper support, and many of these people would get the help they need instead of ending up behind bars.

It was a fairly recent case though? It is relevant if people are complaining another attack isnt being reported enough when that attack was front page news. The fact that you imagine the OP had to drag this case up suggests that there isn't an underreporting if violent crimes by immigrants compared to white British people. It was news jpust not front page for days and the talk of twitter.

It being an unusual thing to happen makes it more noticeable I would say and more newsworthy. Because these crimes are rare

It's also relevant because though I don't think the autism and anorexia exonerate her of personal responsibility it is clear she was badly failed by the mental health services etc. that seems to be a pattern in many of the news stories around violent attacks/radicalisation. It was for Rudabangya as well. That can get lost when people are just arguing about skin colour. Maybe improving MH support would reduce attacks and violence in the future...