Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

First I ever heard of it was yesterday.

People act like it’s only non white people that do this.

Horrific. I believe statistics show it's much more likely for mentally ill people to be victims of violence than perpetrators, but there clearly is a huge failure of mental health services, police, social services and schools to work together effectively to keep vulnerable individuals out of the clutches of extremists and to work with families. We are all paying the price of this failure. I hope the victim here is making a good recovery.

But but what about.

Maybe re title your thread to ‘whataboutery’. It’s a more apt description of this desperate attempt to deflect. Man, the woke desperation is really kicking in now.

When you know you've raced to the bottom to compare which race has carried out the most beheading. Ye gods. Analyse the footage of 7th October to get a better understanding if that's what floats your boat OP.

No, I didn't hear about this. I think the media has so much power, doesn't it? It really controls the narrative.

OP I agree with you. But the replies say it all don’t they.

It's been so interesting to watch Mumsnet these last few days. There really is such a stark polarisation now that both 'sides' really are just talking past each other.
There is no attempt at dialectic anymore. Every time someone attempts to debate in good faith, another thread is started.

No I hadn't heard about this particular incident.

There have many many incidents of truly horrific violence perpetrated by people of random ethnicity and random colour which have often been under reported and escaped public scrutiny. And this include by white, and British , people.

Unfortunately now with people trying to whip up racial tension and division every thing is been spun in a way to suit the racist agenda.

It's interesting how the article leads with her father on how the perpetrator was failed! Why the sympathetic coverage? Because of her sex? Age? Race? How do we feel about calling her 'scum'? Is it harder than thinking of that monster in Belfast as scum?

For what it's worth, they are both monsters in my eyes. Her mental health is no excuse, and any past trauma the perpetrator in Belfast may have experienced is no excuse. The vast majority of mentally ill and traumstised people are a risk to themselves rather than others, and neither factor explains why these monsters chose hatred.

Yes, it's really stark and awful isn't it. People seem to have lost the ability to listen, think rationally and critically, pause and reflect, and respond later. We're not in a good place. I think our generation (adults who grew up without the internet and have taken to it like a duck to water) are pretty much entirely fucked now. Maybe our kids can do better

No I did not hear about it either way it's disgusting thing to have happened to someone or by attempted to have happened to anyone and it's not something that was commonplace in my childhood 30 years ago and it's not something I want happening now

Hardly woke. It's a valid point. The media are very selective about what they want to gnash their teeth about.

I didn't see much shock/horror/placard waving over Stephen McCullough either.

Maybe if a pattern of savagery didn't keep presenting itself the media coverage night be different. One white girl tries to carry out a beheading. How many other cases are there with the same targetted act of barbarism?

Why haven’t we heard of it though? This is the real two tier system that the far-right try to claim is affecting them.

This girl was radicalised so clearly it’s an act of terrorism but because she is white it is classed as a mental health issue. This is even memed time and time again in social media

When an incident is being used as an excuse for racists riots and burning innocent people out of their homes I dont think its whataboutary to point out that its not only "these people" (anybody not white ) who behead people.

Or are you fine with white beheaders?

In Scotland 3 white yobs chased down and butchered another boy during a sunny day at the beach. There were no riots.
I wonder if the "patriots" rioting in Glasgow about something that happened in northern Ireland even gave it a thought.

I take it we can assume the attacker is racist. That applies to every single on of these - far too many - attacks. Or is that the wrong kind of racism?

Yes, I had heard about this dreadful incident. Must have been on the TV or radio because I don't read papers much.

I think the reason people get so annoyed (no excuse for rioting and violence though) is that this girl and her family would appear to have been in the UK for generations (willing to be corrected) so we have no choice as to whether she lives here or not. The man in Northern Ireland had been granted asylum. A safe place to live from whatever he was fleeing from in his home country, and he repays the favour by trying to murder someone. Unfortunately it has happened too many times with rapes, attacks, general criminal activity being carried out by people we have given a safe haven to and people are sick of it. Yes, I know not all immigrants/asylum seekers are criminals. Yes, I know people who have lived here for generations can also be criminals. We just don't need to be importing more.

The whole system needs a thorough overhaul so that we can be sure who we are letting make their lives here. We don't go out without locking our doors because we don't want just anybody to make free with our homes. It should be the same with our country.

Not excusing her behaviour but I expect her father feels she was failed because it would appear he had repeatedly tried to get her help. He didn't just ignore it.

Absolutely @montysmaw.

The deaths of Kayden Moy and John McNab by stabbing have been all but ignored because their attackers were white.

I'm from the same town as Kayden. His attackers were known to the police before the stabbing and nothing was done. John McNab's killer was on bail for a knife crime.

These deserve attention because action could have prevented these crimes. Action is needed against knife crime to stop them happening again.

We need to look at child poverty and abuse, the lack of mental health provision, and the availability of deadly weapons. Instead of totally useless conversations about race and religion which ignore the individual to pander to prejudice.

Yes, being concerned at teens being exposed to extremism is "wokery".

Idiotic comment even by your abysmal standards.

I read about it a while ago so it WAS in the papers.

Many people have heard of it though? I mean you posted a link to the BBC dated 4th June. It was definitely on radio news because my daughter heard it in the car and was asking questions about it.

The fact there was a video of the incident in Belfast means it spread further faster as well.

Yes.

But we have heard about it, it was reported by the BBC.

I get what you’re saying. On the other hand, when we are bringing people in who commit savagery then it’s obviously a different and even more serious issue.

That would explain why one type meets the threshold for mass outrage, and the other type does not.