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Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

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Whiski · Today 09:56

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

First I ever heard of it was yesterday.

People act like it’s only non white people that do this.

A police mugshot of Alina Burns, wearing a black hooded jacket and a grey T-shirt. She has blue eyes and her blonde hair is closely shaven. She is standing against a light grey background, looking ahead with a blank expression.

Father of jailed neo-Nazi teenager says 'everyone failed her'

Alina Burns, 19, was jailed in May for attempting to behead a barber.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

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EasternStandard · Today 17:18

dartmoordays · Today 17:03

The man was accepted here under Suella Braverman.

How did he enter ROI? He entered via Dublin

Walkyrie · Today 17:18

Stepsisterfromhell · Today 17:16

She is mentally ill FFS and should not be in prison but in a mental health institution. The other perps from this week are criminal and vicious. The Nottingham guy was mentally ill and let down by the system - as were his victims

If she was mentally ill enough to receive a hospital order rather than a prison sentence her defence would’ve asserted that eg Valdo Calocane

You can be mentally ill but still fit to stand trial, the threshold for a hospital order is high

rolloverbeethoven · Today 17:19

This was a terrible crime, but it was clearly reported, and not downplayed. Can you see the difference OP? Nobody tried to cover up the details as they have in other recent crimes.

Walkyrie · Today 17:19

dartmoordays · Today 17:05

He was accepted under Suella Braverman. Under her immigration policy.

Did she dictate the immigration policy for Dublin?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:20

Was a referendum ever held by Blair when he upped the ante of multiculturalism? It might have been nice to have been asked whether we welcome such a radical change. I guess after the success of the windrush generation, he presumed we would be welcoming more of the same. How wrong that's been proven to be.

DuncinToffee · Today 17:28

ThreadGuardDog · Today 16:19

Well you haven’t given me much leeway to reply have you ? You can deny there’s a problem if you want and cry racism if that’s what you believe. It doesn’t change anything. The asylum system is not fit for purpose and is actively putting UK citizens at risk. I don’t care where migrants are from, but it’s undeniable that many do not share our values or respect for life. The fact is that there are many issues connected with it and people like me, who have valid concerns at what’s happening in our local areas have those concerns routinely dismissed as either far right or racist views.

I don’t have any problem with migrants coming here to work, and who respect our laws. I do have a problem with those who have no intention of that, and who actively harm others. And I have concerns about the sustainability and fitness for purpose of the migration/asylum system, and even bigger concerns about the illegal element, as well as being deeply concerned about the trend of those in power dismissing concerns like mine as far right and racist so they don’t have to deal with them. Kicking the can down the road doesn’t solve anything.

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So you have a problem with a small number of immigrants as the majority work and respect our laws.

Unless you can back up your 'it’s undeniable that many do not share our values or respect for life.'

Do you think those rioters share our values or respect for life?

dartmoordays · Today 17:28

Walkyrie · Today 17:19

Did she dictate the immigration policy for Dublin?

She did for the UK.

Chocolatefreak · Today 17:31

It's interesting that her father had tried to seek help as a result of her medical diagnosis but didn't think it concerning when she started spouting Reform-type views.

Reform's calls to cold white rage are directly responsible for this. Farage foments violence.

EasternStandard · Today 17:32

dartmoordays · Today 17:28

She did for the UK.

Yes but he entered via Dublin. How?

Stepsisterfromhell · Today 17:36

Walkyrie · Today 17:18

If she was mentally ill enough to receive a hospital order rather than a prison sentence her defence would’ve asserted that eg Valdo Calocane

You can be mentally ill but still fit to stand trial, the threshold for a hospital order is high

Did you read the article? It might help. She is AUTISTIC and has ANOREXIA - two serious mental illnesses.

"Alina Burns, who is autistic and has anorexia, had been involved with Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (Camhs) when she was younger, but her father claimed she had been abandoned after the service decided she was "too unwell" to attend school."

DuncinToffee · Today 17:37

EasternStandard · Today 17:32

Yes but he entered via Dublin. How?

Not by small boat crossing.

But we shouldn't speculate as it is a live case.

likelysuspect · Today 17:40

Stepsisterfromhell · Today 17:36

Did you read the article? It might help. She is AUTISTIC and has ANOREXIA - two serious mental illnesses.

"Alina Burns, who is autistic and has anorexia, had been involved with Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (Camhs) when she was younger, but her father claimed she had been abandoned after the service decided she was "too unwell" to attend school."

Autism is not a MH condition

Anorexia is not a psychosis so wouldnt really classify as an illness that she would need detainment for unless she is not eating at all and then she might be hospitalised.

But anorexia would not be a reason for trying to kill someone, her MH is irrelevant in terms of her crime.

Prison is the right place for her unless she becomes unwell in which case she might need a short general hospital stay unless she becomes psychiatrically unwell to the degree of needing detainment under the MHA

LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:42

Chocolatefreak · Today 17:31

It's interesting that her father had tried to seek help as a result of her medical diagnosis but didn't think it concerning when she started spouting Reform-type views.

Reform's calls to cold white rage are directly responsible for this. Farage foments violence.

Not white rage. Farage has already been wrongly stated as saying that and for which the BBC had to apologise. Interesting you subbed that word tho.

EasternStandard · Today 17:46

DuncinToffee · Today 17:37

Not by small boat crossing.

But we shouldn't speculate as it is a live case.

Who said it was? The papers are covering his entry btw which was via Dublin from France.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 17:48

DuncinToffee · Today 17:28

So you have a problem with a small number of immigrants as the majority work and respect our laws.

Unless you can back up your 'it’s undeniable that many do not share our values or respect for life.'

Do you think those rioters share our values or respect for life?

A last count over 1.5m immigrants on benefits eight years after entering the country. I live in an area of high immigration, l see every day how many don’t share our values, or respect for life. Calls for Sharia law, streets where white people are afraid to walk, no go areas for the police. My daughter has been assaulted while walking past the migrant housing centre. She’s had them follow her home shouting vile sexual comments at her and has been told she’s a slut for not covering up her body in public. She’s 14. There have been attempts to kill/harm my dog and the pets of other residents here. The crime rates here have soared and sexual assault is common. This is my lived experience, but according to people like you we should just put up and shut up.

As for the rioters, clearly there is an element that will use incidents like this to agitate and incite violence. But there are those who are sick and tired of having their concerns minimised and dismissed by government, and who, frighteningly, will turn to this kind of violence more and more because it’s easier to brand them far right thugs than actually listen and address their concerns.

Chocolatefreak · Today 17:51

LuckyHazelFox · Today 17:42

Not white rage. Farage has already been wrongly stated as saying that and for which the BBC had to apologise. Interesting you subbed that word tho.

Apologies, pure cold rage.

She had mental health issues - but it was only when she was clearly brainwashed by Farage/Reform's call to go out and commit violence that she acted criminally.

Farage knows exactly what he is about - he preys on the vulnerable and volatile and they go out and do his dirty work for free. Vile man and dangerous, insidious grooming of the young. Also of the highly impressionable - by the large number of Farage/Reform apologists on here it's clear his ideology is working across generations.

likelysuspect · Today 17:51

DuncinToffee · Today 17:37

Not by small boat crossing.

But we shouldn't speculate as it is a live case.

You dont have to speculate it came out in court and is reported freely. He flew from France into Dublin. Then crossed into NI, then sought asylum and was granted the first stage of it 5 years LTR.

BIossomtoes · Today 17:51

The double standards on this thread are mind blowing.

EasternStandard · Today 17:52

likelysuspect · Today 17:51

You dont have to speculate it came out in court and is reported freely. He flew from France into Dublin. Then crossed into NI, then sought asylum and was granted the first stage of it 5 years LTR.

Exactly. It’s being reported.

ChequerToRed · Today 17:54

This is fairly local to me so it’s been all over the news here.
As for the racial aspect, we had a very high profile double murder of two teenage boys here a couple of years ago and the gang of little shitbags who did it were a variety pack of races.
Nobody rioted.

DuncinToffee · Today 17:56

EasternStandard · Today 17:46

Who said it was? The papers are covering his entry btw which was via Dublin from France.

That is sufficient information then

DuncinToffee · Today 17:57

likelysuspect · Today 17:51

You dont have to speculate it came out in court and is reported freely. He flew from France into Dublin. Then crossed into NI, then sought asylum and was granted the first stage of it 5 years LTR.

Then there was no need for the question how he got here.

EasternStandard · Today 17:58

DuncinToffee · Today 17:56

That is sufficient information then

For you. I’m interested in how someone can enter in that way.

Not even related to him particularly.

Error404FucksNotFound · Today 17:58

The attack was used as an excuse by racists to be violent.

I dont believe they give a flying fuck about the victim.

When the perpetrator is white British, they don't have an excuse to attack brown and black people so they dont even pretend to care.

SomeGarlic · Today 17:58

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:54

Maybe if a pattern of savagery didn't keep presenting itself the media coverage night be different. One white girl tries to carry out a beheading. How many other cases are there with the same targetted act of barbarism?

Hmm, patterns of savagery. Maybe we should be looking at teenage girls?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gydjpdwy2o

A police car parked outside a school as people walk past.

Teacher and two pupils stabbed in Manchester school attack

A 14-year-old schoolgirl is arrested after the knife attack at the Co-op Academy in Blackley.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gydjpdwy2o

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