Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

[Whiski]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

First I ever heard of it was yesterday.

People act like it’s only non white people that do this.

The point is, we can barely cope with our own nutcases; we really don't need to open our borders to more of them.

Which side? You could be talking about either tbh.

Think it's clear which sides she's talking about. How dare people have quick thinking and typing skills. They can't be real, have to be bots. Some really do live in bubbles.

Do you live in an area of high immigration. I do. The landscape of my home town has changed out of all recognition. There is overcrowding. There is poverty. The crime rates have soared, you are not safe if you live anywhere near the migrant housing facilities. I think what you’ve left out of the long list of changing reasons for people’s anger, is probably the real one. That they have concerns about immigration, based on lived experience. They see the things politicians tell them are not happening, actually happening in front of them. They have experience for themselves the contempt with which a lot of migrants hold us and are resentful.

The asylum system is broken and unfit for purpose. That’s what this incident and others before it highlights very clearly - this man was a failed asylum seeker, given leave to remain. Had he not, this incident wouldn’t have happened. And what do we get from government each time this happens - ‘violence isn’t the answer’ and ‘this is the work of far right thugs’. That argument isn’t going to work for much longer. You can’t stand there wringing your hands, blaming the very people the system has let down for its’ failure.

Ok so now your angry at me.
If immigration is why people are angry why were people also angry at the Southport murder? Given he was born here.

Is it asylum seekers you think are the issue? Or immigrants from certain countries?

I am an EU immigrant, have I changed the landscape of my town?

People usually say 'oh I don't mean people like you'

For me is clear. People are given a hand in the UK and more and more we see them are just thugs, murderers and not even trying to adapt to this country. There is not selection or criteria. It is open for all. It is seriously a security risk for decent citizens. Including decent migrants and their children. As like the victims in Stockport. Stop trying to defend thugs and criminals. It is offensive to collude decent migrants with those pieces of shit killing in our streets.

Because of misinformation being spread online. Pure and simple. Same as in the Digwa case. Do you really not understand the connection ? People in high immigration areas are watching the landscape of their towns and cities being forever changed as a result. They experience high crime rates and many other issues that government simply deny is happening and they are sick of being gaslighted. There is no misinformation in this case. The attacker was a failed asylum seeker, given leave to remain by a system not fit for purpose. A innocent man was attacked and received life changing injuries as a result. And all the authorities can say in the face of the anger and frustration vented on the community is ‘violence is never the answer’. The perpetrators are inevitably branded right wing thugs and racists, and their concerns dismissed. No attempt is being made to even address their issues or concerns, so what do you expect ?

I agree with this if they want people to listen/don't want to be branded as racist/stupid/whatever then get your act together and launch a proper campaign with clear grievances and clear aims. All I hear lately is rabble, rabble, rabble with no clear message.

Prove that you aren't stupid racists and put together a coherent campaign instead of whining on the Internet and burning people out of their homes.

The more citizens are called far right racists the more they will double down. Maybe the rioters aren't the only ones who should be looking at their own behaviour.

Launch a proper campaign? - the types that will be countered by hard left thugs and lefty agitators who can't handle their way or the highway mentality not working.

So the disabled Welsh woman with 4 kids stays homeless whilst people with less need than her are housed?

When they target migrant houses to set on fire, what should we call them?

"Terrorist related" it says. Yet they say Belfast wasn't terrorism.
I wonder how they came to that conclusion 🤔

Did you only read the first line of my post? I asked about beheadings in line one as this is the thread topic, then I asked if you have general stats in line two.

I see that your position must be vibes-based as you don't seem to have any supporting evidence.

NB edited for clarity

You're only taking into account the rioters. Call them what you like. If they are stupid enough to play into your hands more fools them. Im talking about the every day man and woman who doesn't let their anger and frustration out on violence. So for the poster talking about one-dimensional thinking, she's right, just not in the way she suspects she is.

Well you haven’t given me much leeway to reply have you ? You can deny there’s a problem if you want and cry racism if that’s what you believe. It doesn’t change anything. The asylum system is not fit for purpose and is actively putting UK citizens at risk. I don’t care where migrants are from, but it’s undeniable that many do not share our values or respect for life. The fact is that there are many issues connected with it and people like me, who have valid concerns at what’s happening in our local areas have those concerns routinely dismissed as either far right or racist views.

I don’t have any problem with migrants coming here to work, and who respect our laws. I do have a problem with those who have no intention of that, and who actively harm others. And I have concerns about the sustainability and fitness for purpose of the migration/asylum system, and even bigger concerns about the illegal element, as well as being deeply concerned about the trend of those in power dismissing concerns like mine as far right and racist so they don’t have to deal with them. Kicking the can down the road doesn’t solve anything.

People are housed on the basis of being homeless in those situations. Your neice is overcrowded but has somewhere to live

When asylum seekers are granted refugee status the NASS accommodation is withdrawn almost instantly, families have around 7 days to get out of the property because they are no longer supported by the HO and now have the right to public funding/benefits/housing whereas they dont while seeking asylum.

So they are going to be homeless in 7 days and therefore will have a higher need than someone who is overcrowded.

Successive governments have not built enough social housing.

Vibes-based. Is that a new wanky term I've not heard about?

So not having a proper campaign but violence by hard right wing thugs and fascist agitators who can't handle their way or the highway which is what's happening now is ok because that's the implication.

You can partly blame Brexit, and also blame the right wing in Europe for this shit show.

Yeah because that's what clever people do, they don't say oh millions of people are taking our message up wrong maybe we should look at how we are communicating it? Instead they 'double down' and keep regurgitating the same shit over and over again, that will surely help the cause.

All very reasonable. But it doesn’t change the perception for people who have been on LA housing lists for very long periods of time and who are living in overcrowded conditions. They perceive that refugees are jumping the queue while they have waited their turn, only to be pushed further down the list. It may not be accurate, but it’s understandable.

And what ‘same shit’ would that be ?

Great user name.

Afraid to launch a campaign because it might be countered. Sounds like they just aren't cut out for politics. It's OK not everyone is.