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Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

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Whiski · Today 09:56

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

First I ever heard of it was yesterday.

People act like it’s only non white people that do this.

A police mugshot of Alina Burns, wearing a black hooded jacket and a grey T-shirt. She has blue eyes and her blonde hair is closely shaven. She is standing against a light grey background, looking ahead with a blank expression.

Father of jailed neo-Nazi teenager says 'everyone failed her'

Alina Burns, 19, was jailed in May for attempting to behead a barber.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7pg7nk53go

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likelysuspect · Today 14:50

TheKittenswithMittens · Today 14:27

It is two tier. She has gone to prison for 15 years, whereas the Nottingham killer goes to hospital.

She may end up there in the end but does she have a MH condition that warrants MH detainment?

Lots of people in prison have MH issues.

Ablondiebutagoody · Today 14:53

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · Today 14:04

In the last few decades we've seen some big changes in how people get news. The arrival of cable TV, digital channels, internet etc has made it possible to put out news stories all day long, endlessly repeated, and when a really nasty crime is reported over and over again on all media it makes more of an impact on the public than in the old days when it was on the front page of a newspaper one day and chip wrappings the next. This has left a lot of people with the impression that crime is worse than it used to be, which is not the case.

Also, people used to get their news from newspapers, the BBC, ITV and Channel 4. Whatever you think of them, they're all regulated within the UK. What's taken their place is social media, which is not properly regulated at all, not run from the UK and is incredibly sophisticated in the way it feeds articles to users based on algorithms. If you show an interest in stories about puppies or knitting or football, you get more of the same. If the thing that really gets you going is migration, you get more of that, but with no guarantee whatsoever that what people are saying about it is true. This has been exploited by people who certainly don't have the UK's interests at heart.

What is actually true is that in the last ten years in England and Wales there have been fewer violent crimes than there were. This corresponds with a period when immigration has increased, so there's a conundrum right there for those who want us all to believe that immigrants are disproportionately responsible for crimes.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingdecember2025

Data for YE December 2025 showed that:

  • the number of homicides decreased by 6% (to 503 offences) compared with YE December 2024 (534 offences)
  • offences involving knives or sharp instruments decreased by 10% (to 49,151 offences) compared with YE December 2024 (54,548 offences); falls were seen across most regions in England and Wales
  • offences involving firearms decreased by 9% (to 4,753 offences) compared with YE December 2024 (5,241 offences); this was the lowest figure since current police recording practices began in YE March 2003
  • the number of robbery of personal property offences decreased by 12% (to 58,508 offences) compared with the previous year, however, overall robbery increased by 4% (to 84,666 offences) mainly because of improvements to recording practices for robbery of business property
  • following recent rises in shoplifting, there was a 1% decrease (to 509,566 offences) in YE December 2025 compared with the previous year (516,611 offences)

You suggest that (illegal?) immigrants are not disproportionately responsible for crime, and then present some completely irrelevant stats about crime rates in general.

If you can't find any UK stats relating origin to propensity to commit certain crimes (because the Home Office refuse to publish them), then several European countries do publish. Check out Denmark for example. I reckon the UK situation would be similar. Interesting that the Danes are now coming down particularly hard on immigration.

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 14:55

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:44

Depends how good your legal team is.

VC wouldn’t have had a good legal team would he? He had no money and no access. He’s in hospital because he’s seriously ill. This young women is clearly responsible for her actions and her mental illness isn’t one that makes her not responsible

DoraSpenlow · Today 14:56

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · Today 13:44

Where is your evidence that 'migrants jump to the front of the housing queue'? Here's some fact checking from Reuters that says the contrary. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/asylum-seekers-jumping-social-housing-queue-claims-are-misleading-2024-12-12/

I cannot quote any 'peer reviewed evidence', I can only speak of experience within my family. My niece, her partner and their 5 year old have been living with his parents in a two bedroom bungalow for 5 years. During that time several housing association houses have been allocated to families who definitely do not come from the local area. I know for a fact that at least two of these families do not speak English because I know the people who live next door. Another relative who worked for the housing association has resigned in protest about recent allocations.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Today 14:57

DoraSpenlow · Today 14:56

I cannot quote any 'peer reviewed evidence', I can only speak of experience within my family. My niece, her partner and their 5 year old have been living with his parents in a two bedroom bungalow for 5 years. During that time several housing association houses have been allocated to families who definitely do not come from the local area. I know for a fact that at least two of these families do not speak English because I know the people who live next door. Another relative who worked for the housing association has resigned in protest about recent allocations.

My guess would be that they were put in a higher banding because their need for housing was greater, nothing to do with race. There are really clear rules and criteria surrounding housing allocations.

CheeseyOnionPie · Today 14:58

OneTealShaker · Today 10:40

Maybe re title your thread to ‘whataboutery’. It’s a more apt description of this desperate attempt to deflect. Man, the woke desperation is really kicking in now.

What’s up? You wanted to perpetuate the narrative that only non-white people commit crimes like and now you’re rattled.

For once this is very valid whataboutery. Because what about this? No riots. No buses burned. No bricks thrown. No innocent people terrorised. And why? Because she’s white. It’s racism pure and simple.

JenniElection · Today 14:58

Whiski · Today 11:10

Why haven’t we heard of it though? This is the real two tier system that the far-right try to claim is affecting them.

This girl was radicalised so clearly it’s an act of terrorism but because she is white it is classed as a mental health issue. This is even memed time and time again in social media

I had seen it in the news, but are you honestly trying to disprove a two-tier system by highlighting a two-tier system while using someone's head as a political football, Grim

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:58

DoraSpenlow · Today 14:56

I cannot quote any 'peer reviewed evidence', I can only speak of experience within my family. My niece, her partner and their 5 year old have been living with his parents in a two bedroom bungalow for 5 years. During that time several housing association houses have been allocated to families who definitely do not come from the local area. I know for a fact that at least two of these families do not speak English because I know the people who live next door. Another relative who worked for the housing association has resigned in protest about recent allocations.

Hard experience comes second to know it all theorists.

Theunamedcat · Today 15:03

DoraSpenlow · Today 11:37

Yes, I had heard about this dreadful incident. Must have been on the TV or radio because I don't read papers much.

I think the reason people get so annoyed (no excuse for rioting and violence though) is that this girl and her family would appear to have been in the UK for generations (willing to be corrected) so we have no choice as to whether she lives here or not. The man in Northern Ireland had been granted asylum. A safe place to live from whatever he was fleeing from in his home country, and he repays the favour by trying to murder someone. Unfortunately it has happened too many times with rapes, attacks, general criminal activity being carried out by people we have given a safe haven to and people are sick of it. Yes, I know not all immigrants/asylum seekers are criminals. Yes, I know people who have lived here for generations can also be criminals. We just don't need to be importing more.

The whole system needs a thorough overhaul so that we can be sure who we are letting make their lives here. We don't go out without locking our doors because we don't want just anybody to make free with our homes. It should be the same with our country.

Exactly this!

We have enough murderers rapist and thieves without importing more THATS why there are protests

JustSawJohnny · Today 15:03

Of course not, she's white!

The whipping up of public rage only happens for browns.

Plus she had been groomed by far right activists so Farage & co are tight lipped.

DoraSpenlow · Today 15:03

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Today 14:57

My guess would be that they were put in a higher banding because their need for housing was greater, nothing to do with race. There are really clear rules and criteria surrounding housing allocations.

So you don't think that seeing several people from outside the area/country you have lived all your life being housed before you breeds resentment? OK then.

DoraSpenlow · Today 15:04

LuckyHazelFox · Today 14:58

Hard experience comes second to know it all theorists.

Indeed!

Persephonia1966 · Today 15:06

DoraSpenlow · Today 11:37

Yes, I had heard about this dreadful incident. Must have been on the TV or radio because I don't read papers much.

I think the reason people get so annoyed (no excuse for rioting and violence though) is that this girl and her family would appear to have been in the UK for generations (willing to be corrected) so we have no choice as to whether she lives here or not. The man in Northern Ireland had been granted asylum. A safe place to live from whatever he was fleeing from in his home country, and he repays the favour by trying to murder someone. Unfortunately it has happened too many times with rapes, attacks, general criminal activity being carried out by people we have given a safe haven to and people are sick of it. Yes, I know not all immigrants/asylum seekers are criminals. Yes, I know people who have lived here for generations can also be criminals. We just don't need to be importing more.

The whole system needs a thorough overhaul so that we can be sure who we are letting make their lives here. We don't go out without locking our doors because we don't want just anybody to make free with our homes. It should be the same with our country.

No, people were explicitly saying that this stuff never normally happens, strongly implying that it could only happen because of the attackers background (maybe that was a factor. We don't know). A DUP member said that it was the most horrific violence in NI he could remember. Hmmmm. When people point out other perpetrators who did similar things, then the argument " but we can't do anything about them being here" is brought out. It's true but it's not the original argument that was made. And besides, while you can't deport (eg) white British rapists, murderers etc you can look at the possible failures in the system that allowed it. By focusing only on race/immigration as the means to reduce violence it stops any real change to eg police attitudes towards working class victims of CSA, mental health provision, sectioning. It creates a false sense of security. And when people do try to talk about it/about the possible wider issues or how to fix the problem they are shouted down and told they don't care because they aren't sticking to only immigration as a topic.

The other reason it's relevant is because people were suggesting the Belfast attack wasn't being reported as much because of the race of the perpetrator. Two tier might have been thrown around. A very similar case that was reported but certainly not reported more heavily is relevant to that argument.

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 15:09

DoraSpenlow · Today 15:03

So you don't think that seeing several people from outside the area/country you have lived all your life being housed before you breeds resentment? OK then.

Thing is, that stands whether you are talking about a disabled 40 year old white Welsh woman with 4 kids or a disabled black Somalian with 4 kids surely?

i don’t want to see either of them get a property before me, but that’s not the way the housing register works. It’s needs based and if you qualify more highly than me, that’s that.

Walkyrie · Today 15:09

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 15:09

Thing is, that stands whether you are talking about a disabled 40 year old white Welsh woman with 4 kids or a disabled black Somalian with 4 kids surely?

i don’t want to see either of them get a property before me, but that’s not the way the housing register works. It’s needs based and if you qualify more highly than me, that’s that.

So let’s change the qualification. We shouldn’t be adding people to the list if we can’t already house the people on it.

Dahliasrule · Today 15:12

The point is there is only an outcry and rioting causing damage, fear and possible threats to life in this latest incident. This is because the climate has been primed for this by people like Nigel Farage nd Tommy Robinson who highlight such unforgivable and shocking attacks such as that by the Sudanese refugee. They are conspicuously quiet as mentioned by another poster when it is a white, far right perpetrator because it does not suit their narrative. Whilst both acts are to be deplored, it is equally deplorable to stir up hate that causes others to fear for their lives. Those are not the values I want for our British society. Show disgust, anger at the perpetrators and compassion for the victims. If action is needed, make it peaceful and productive.

Stepsisterfromhell · Today 15:20

Whiski · Today 11:10

Why haven’t we heard of it though? This is the real two tier system that the far-right try to claim is affecting them.

This girl was radicalised so clearly it’s an act of terrorism but because she is white it is classed as a mental health issue. This is even memed time and time again in social media

Lots of people are misunderstanding what the anger is about. It is not about race, for the most part. It is about the authorities - whether that is the police in the Henry Nowak case, or the justice system in the Nottingham case, or the immigration system in the Belfast case. The British public feel that their own state services not only do not protect them as they should but they immediately jump to blaming the "far right" for causing division, rather than facing up to the failures of state provision - and in this case of a white girl, it is obviously the mental health services that have let her and her family down, not to mention the victim of her attack. Btw, the article only talks about the psychological impacts on the victim, so I assume he didn't have his eyes gauged out like the Belfast victim and was not murdered like the Nottingham victim, or killed like Henry, and neither was the attack filmed on phone cameras, so maybe the lack of attention has nothing to do with race and much more to do with other things. You seem to be the one wanting to make it about race tbh.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 15:21

Sskka · Today 12:40

I get what you’re saying. On the other hand, when we are bringing people in who commit savagery then it’s obviously a different and even more serious issue.

That would explain why one type meets the threshold for mass outrage, and the other type does not.

Agree. There is an alarming undercurrent of unrest because people feel their concerns about migration are being ignored or minimised and there are shouts of ‘racist’ whenever they are voiced. We have a broken immigration system which allows failed asylum seekers leave to remain. I think that’s the difference here. Had this man not been given that leave, this would not have happened. There are mental health issues across all races and ethnicities, but that doesn’t justify allowing people to stay here unchecked.

DuncinToffee · Today 15:25

I read it at the time. I don't think Musk, Lowe, SYL, Farage posted about it.

00K · Today 15:28

Saw this ages ago

ThreadGuardDog · Today 15:29

Dahliasrule · Today 15:12

The point is there is only an outcry and rioting causing damage, fear and possible threats to life in this latest incident. This is because the climate has been primed for this by people like Nigel Farage nd Tommy Robinson who highlight such unforgivable and shocking attacks such as that by the Sudanese refugee. They are conspicuously quiet as mentioned by another poster when it is a white, far right perpetrator because it does not suit their narrative. Whilst both acts are to be deplored, it is equally deplorable to stir up hate that causes others to fear for their lives. Those are not the values I want for our British society. Show disgust, anger at the perpetrators and compassion for the victims. If action is needed, make it peaceful and productive.

Er - there was unrest following the Southport murders and Henry Nowak. And historically there have been demonstrations following similar attacks over the years - including the one in which Lee Rigby lost his life. The response from government each time has been ‘violence is not the answer’, but beyond that, nothing has been done.

Hand wringing and branding the perpetrators of these violent acts as far right thugs isn’t going to work for much longer. The asylum system is broken and not fit for purpose, and the upshot is that failed asylum seekers like this piece of shit are allowed to remain indefinitely with no checks, putting the citizens of the UK at risk. Citing cases where white people have been perpetrators muddies the waters - MH issues exist across all races and ethnicities. So does hatred.

Persephonia1966 · Today 15:30

Stepsisterfromhell · Today 15:20

Lots of people are misunderstanding what the anger is about. It is not about race, for the most part. It is about the authorities - whether that is the police in the Henry Nowak case, or the justice system in the Nottingham case, or the immigration system in the Belfast case. The British public feel that their own state services not only do not protect them as they should but they immediately jump to blaming the "far right" for causing division, rather than facing up to the failures of state provision - and in this case of a white girl, it is obviously the mental health services that have let her and her family down, not to mention the victim of her attack. Btw, the article only talks about the psychological impacts on the victim, so I assume he didn't have his eyes gauged out like the Belfast victim and was not murdered like the Nottingham victim, or killed like Henry, and neither was the attack filmed on phone cameras, so maybe the lack of attention has nothing to do with race and much more to do with other things. You seem to be the one wanting to make it about race tbh.

Because people keep changing their stories on what the anger is about. Or, alternatively everyone is consistent but has their own separate reason for "the anger". And it's ever shifting according to opportunity.
Eg today "the people" are angry that current immigration is bringing in more people to commit violent crime on top of the British people we can't do anything about. Yesterday "the people" were angry at Novak's killer even though he was born in the UK. When the 3 little girls were attacked "The People" were first very angry that the attacker had come over in a boat and it was about illegal immigration. Then when it turned out he was born in Wales "The People" were angry that hisnparents were allowed to come here.
"The People" were angry that the Belfast attack was being underplayed by the media but when it was pointed out that similar crimes received the same or less publicity it turned out the real reason "The People" are angry is because immigration is bringing in more violent people to add to the people we have.

The people were angry at overall migration numbers and how that affects demographics/housing/enployment but when migration numbers went down it turned out not to be overall migration numbers that were .asking people angry but the types of people. Sometimes the wrong type of people includes Eastern European. Sometimes they are the right type of person and the wrong type is Muslims. Etc.

CarraghInish · Today 15:35

MasterGland · Today 10:45

It's been so interesting to watch Mumsnet these last few days. There really is such a stark polarisation now that both 'sides' really are just talking past each other.
There is no attempt at dialectic anymore. Every time someone attempts to debate in good faith, another thread is started.

I’m still a bit suspicious that many of the comments on one of those sides are not written by real people. VERY quick to respond, lots of buzzwords, short answers, inflammatory digs at other posters to try and stir things up. Or maybe I am just stupid to believe that real people would be less one dimensional?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 15:37

Persephonia1966 · Today 15:30

Because people keep changing their stories on what the anger is about. Or, alternatively everyone is consistent but has their own separate reason for "the anger". And it's ever shifting according to opportunity.
Eg today "the people" are angry that current immigration is bringing in more people to commit violent crime on top of the British people we can't do anything about. Yesterday "the people" were angry at Novak's killer even though he was born in the UK. When the 3 little girls were attacked "The People" were first very angry that the attacker had come over in a boat and it was about illegal immigration. Then when it turned out he was born in Wales "The People" were angry that hisnparents were allowed to come here.
"The People" were angry that the Belfast attack was being underplayed by the media but when it was pointed out that similar crimes received the same or less publicity it turned out the real reason "The People" are angry is because immigration is bringing in more violent people to add to the people we have.

The people were angry at overall migration numbers and how that affects demographics/housing/enployment but when migration numbers went down it turned out not to be overall migration numbers that were .asking people angry but the types of people. Sometimes the wrong type of people includes Eastern European. Sometimes they are the right type of person and the wrong type is Muslims. Etc.

People are entitled to be angry. Choir boy from Wales narratives can only hush things and people up for so long. You might normally care that there's too many of these incidents happening but plenty are. Calling people racists is now just going over the heads of those concerned people. They don't care about lazy insults.

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