AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

[Peaceandquietandacuppa]

AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

Carol Vorderman’s letter to the women of Makerfield

Any woman voting Reform is mad. In the same way that any person of colour supporting Reform is mad. But there are some very stupid people out there. Don't underestimate the stupidity of the British public. The fact that Farage is even vaguely popular after the car crash that is Brexit shows just how bonkers we can be.

I think anyone voting for reform is a vote against themselves. There will be no benefits to a Reform government whatsoever.

I think what blinds some women is Reform’s stance on transwomen. I have no other explanation for how unreasonable they are being.

All the Mumsnet Reform plants will be along soon though to tell us all how great they are. I'm surprised they're not here already 😁

so Sorry, I voted wrong, thinking YANBU that women voting reform are voting against themselves rather than the way you put it at the bottom of your post. Hopefully others did too as otherwise this is a very sad reflection of the women on here.

I also voted the other way. I think it's confusing. I responded to the title so voted yanbu.

I cant change my vote now.

To be clear - as your poll isn't! - YANBU to post as you have @Peaceandquietandacuppa

Women who vote and support Reform (and Restore) are definitely being VVVU. And dense.

Your voting options are incoherent.

Your post is also far too simplistic. Women aren't some homogeneous mass voting solely on women's issues. We, like men, have to consider a full range of issues including immigration, the economy, public services, foreign policy etc. It is highly unlikely that you are going to find a political party that aligns with all your views. I would actually wager that the vast majority of people end up voting for a party where they fundamentally disagree with one of their key policies or stances.

I have voted for Labour and the Tories before and have disagreed with them on key issues. I have actively despised certain members in the parties. This hasn't stopped me voting for them as overall they may be the best or even least bad option.

Are those the only two options? Seems a bit of a leading question tbh.

IABU – I agree with you, you’re completely correct
IANBU – I’m a terrible person, just an awful person in every way, I like to kick puppies and I eat my kitkats sideways

We all have one vote ,and it's up to us where we cast it
No one ever agrees 100% with any party ,it's about finding one you agree with most .
I know a lot of people who plan to vote reform,and bizarrely they are all either 20 years older than me or 20 years younger
They all say the same thing ... immigration is out of control and they think reform are the best chance of fixing it .
Quite a few can't stand fararge and definitely do not agree with all his policies.
They have seen huge changes in society that they don't like and they think uncontrolled immigration is the cause of them .
Then there are a few of My friends who I suspect are going to vote reform,just from things they have said ,again about immigration,and the effect on housing and community.
Anyone claiming to not understand why people are going to vote reform clearly have their head in the sand
Personally I'm hoping labour pull it out of the bag and get another 5 years ..I don't think people are being fair expecting so much so soon from them . conservatives had 14 years making a mess ,and starmer is expected to create miracles in 2 years ..im not saying labour are fantastic..but with in the realm's of what can be realistically achievable ,I think they are doing ok ..but I expect I am in the minority
I also think,and have frequently said ,I think if reform do get in . people will be very disappointed very quickly with how little reform will be able to change anything significantly.
People expecting great things,will find that farages hands are tied , trying to get more extreme policies through parliament..which is no bad thing imho

I'm a woman and I'm not a plant. Just a woman who wants immigration sorted . I vote Reform

Happy to rip up hard-won rights for the rest of us, because you don't like brown people.

Considering the other voting options all involve the removal of all of women's rights including the right to single sex spaces and words to describe us as a sex class so that they can be handed over to men with special identities (see the responses to the new EHRC guidance this week) i dont think they are all that daft.
Under reform women will have a constant battle to keep our rights but atleast we will still have our words and as such the ability to defend our rights which you can't do if words have no meaning or if there are no words for the biological sex class that was formally known as women/females that exclude all of the sex class formally known as men/males.
And before the accusations start im not a reform vote, nor will I assume that everyone who is is an idiot as the op implies. I am lamenting the state of our political parties though

You want "immigration sorted" but at what cost? I hope you've got good private medical insurance because you won't be able to rely on the NHS once Farage runs it into the ground. But hey ho, as long he kicks out all the brown people 🙄

Maybe reform voters are sick and tired of other women telling them how to think and who to vote for?

So women want to be as controlling as they accuse men of being?

It’s not about “not liking brown people” surely your not that stupid. Uncontrolled illegal immigration is a huge problem in this country as is the violence that comes with it.

people don’t have a problem with “brown people” (as you so eloquently put it) coming here by legal means and building a future for them selves.

when I moved to Dubai (legally) I was expected to fit in with their culture. If I had gone over there as a Christian and wanted to open a Christian church I’d have been thrown in jail. People are not illegally immigrating to the UK to build a better life for them and their family and to integrate into our culture, it’s undocumented males tha are coming here and causing issue, imposing there own ways. The exact reason many other countries won’t take them.

I really couldn’t care less about someone talking about CV’s arsehole. Really not a big deal.

'But there are some very stupid people out there'

Can't disagree with this sadly. But I think there are also people out there, men and women, who think that Rob Kenyon is just a proper red blooded man who 'tells it like it is' and 'enjoys the bants' and all the other minimising crap. There are also women who only think of themselves, and couldn't give a fig about what Reform would do to the rights of women in general

I fully understand why people feel despair about the state of politics - it's pretty bloody dismal out there. I cannot for the life of me understand why they think Reform are the answer though

I don’t think you understand politics very well OP. No party completely aligns with anyone’s views on all aspects. A party like that can simply never exist.

I will 100% NOT be voting Reform.

However, I am sick and tired of being told how to think, what to think, what is a trendy or not trendy belief to have. It is SO student politics.

People are entitled to make up their own minds, for whatever reason. And whilst I do not like it and Reform does not represent me whatsoever, I really think it is not on to keep telling people how and why they should vote a certain way.

Moved to Dubai, voting reform. Can't make it up 😂

Your poll is confusing but I find it shocking that any woman would vote Reform to be honest. It's interesting to see where people's priorities lay and what they are willing to turn a blind eye to. It's quite sad really.

I feel the same
I've felt very much politically homeless,have prior been a green voter for many years ..I seem to of moved to labour ,when a lot of labour have moved to green .
It's difficult.
But yeah ..tell me what to do and I will deliberately do the opposite

This. I’m not a Reform voter, but calling people stupid if they vote Reform, isn’t the way to debate something.

Some people might think those that vote Labour, Greens etc seem quite thick, but we all have a vote to use as we choose to. 🤷‍♀️