AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

[Peaceandquietandacuppa]

AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

If, and it’s a big if, Reform do get in, there will be a massive change in the way government is run, the Civil Service will be there to act as their usual fire blanket thrown over anything they don’t like and none of the completely bonkers policies Reform are suggesting will happen. I believe that the ‘sensible’ folk (not the grown ups 🙄) will get together to form a viable opposition and hopefully drive things in a more moderate direction. Nigel Farage may come across as deranged but deep down he’s not stupid.

His policies will just get watered untill they align with conservatives

Labour are sorting it.

https://labour.org.uk/delivering/secure-borders/

Net migration down 80%, a four year low.

Key 2025-2026 Immigration Metrics:
Net Migration: Dropped to 171,000 by the end of 2025.
Skilled Worker Visas: Fell to 46,000 in 2025, with a further 42% decrease in Q1 2026 compared to Q1 2025.
Small Boat Arrivals: Decreased 13% for the year ending May 2026 compared to the previous year.
Asylum Management: The number of asylum seekers in hotels fell 32% in the first quarter of 2026.
Returns: 39,000 people were returned in 2025, the highest level since 2016. 1]

Small boat crossings down 38 % as well :

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo

You don't want to hear this though do you?

What you mean is you don't want ANY immigration.

As far as voting for Reform, it is Nigel Farage & Boris Johnsons fault for championing and lying about Brexit benefits that exploded the number of boat crossings, and made it nigh on impossible to return them.

These are all facts, by the way, not opinion.

Under a reform government you can guarantee that any civil servant who breaches their employment contract by refusing to implement the will of government (as is their legal duty) will be sacked.
The civil service seems to have forgotten that its their job to do as Parliament says not whatever activists, their own personal beliefs or politics tell them is right or to do.
Tbh its long past time that somebody got rid of all the activists in the civil service

But how are people meant to know this
Labour do not seem to want to blow their own trumpet
And media seem to have such high expectations of them ,and only want to highlight what they see as failings
They have only been in power two years ,yet people seem to expect more from than than they did conservatives who had 14 years in power

Reform UK’s policies will have serious consequences for women who are disproportionately affected by benefit cuts, low pay, and caring responsibilities. Reform opposes equality-focused policies and dismisses protections as “identity politics.” Their push to shrink the state and deregulate risks underfunding domestic abuse services, healthcare, workplace protections, and safeguarding — services women and disabled people depend on most. These policies would increase poverty, reduce safety nets, and strip away hard-won protections for people who are already more vulnerable.

Reform MPs voted against decriminalising abortions in 2025, they want to totally abolish the Equality Act 2010, which is widely what protects women in the workplace.

This is a party that is dangerous for women (as well as anyone of a minority community) I wouldn't vote for them under any circumstances

@champagnePicnic

There are many Christian churches in Dubai. Many places of worship for all denominations. They even have a synagogue in Abu Dhabi, part of an interfaith complex with a mosque, and a church.

Surely you're not that stupid @champagnePicnic?

Aside from that, do you think British born muslims should not be allowed to worship in a mosque?

YANBU. You’ll be told you’re wrong because of the trans thing but they just ignore all of this

Carol voderman for PM

Read a broadsheet newspaper instead of getting all your information from social media. Or Google UK immigration statistics.

Women voting for idiots who think a woman can have a penis are literally voting against their own existence.

Women voting for clowns who think that increased sexual assault is a price worth paying for open borders are voting against their safety.

This.

And it’s important to note that even if the problem of illegal immigration was completely solved, the UK would still need a ton of work to bring back any semblance of order.

There would still be a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, shit in our rivers, sky high energy bills, a struggling NHS. Sensible workable policies to fix all of these areas are essential.

I won't be voting Reform, but I do find it interesting how people weaponize women's rights in political arguments.

You say women who vote Reform are turkeys voting for Christmas, as if women's rights haven't been massively eroded under the Conservatives and Labour. If voting Reform as a woman makes you a turkey voting for Christmas, what does voting for the Conservatives or Labour make you, given reclaiming women's legal rights under both of these parties has only happened due to the massive personal and financial sacrifices from women and women's groups in the courts?

The truth is no mainstream party values women's rights, and all mainstream parties are very happy to subjugate women until public opinion and court cases force them to do otherwise. I'm not interested in faux concern for the silly little women voting differently to you, OP. Women's rights aren't a pawn to be used to try to shame people into voting the way you want them to.

I don't really agree with either of your options.

People vote for all kinds of reasons, almost always they are making comromises.

There will always be candidates that aren't great, that you don't like, that you might despise and wouldn't vote for if you were in their constituency.

People tend to vote the way that they think will on balance take the country more toward the direction it needs to go, compared to the other options. Sometimes that can even mean voting to give the old party a wake up call that they need to step up.

People not thinking the balance lies in the same place you do are not therefore stupid.

Dot fall for this propaganda folks.

Immigration last year was nearly 800k. Thats how many people came in.

Unfortunately the locals, mostly high earning, are leaving this utopia, making the net numbers look low.

But we are still bringing in nearly a million people a year. So much for cultural integration, eh?

Have I told anyone how to vote?!

I said that I feel women are voting against themselves if they vote reform, they are however free to do whatever they wish.

Also I’m sorry for the confusion on the voting options, tired this morning 😂

I didn’t say I think they are stupid?

I was meaning generally
As labour don't seem to want to sing their own praises,and media generally are negative to them

I’m just saying that, despite the other issues, stopping immigration or whatever, surely, surely, that doesn’t make up for giving more power to people that at best, don’t respect women and at worst, physically assault, or abuse them verbally?

And only pretend to care about women when it suits their agenda?

Oh gosh
That wasn't aimed at you
I was actually..in my head thinking my DH ,who is very vocal politically
I am definitely not having a go at anyone

Ah ok, I am sorry if that came across as snippy.

Labour’s PR machine seems completely inadequate at a point where readership and funding for good quality independent media are faltering.

What exaxtly are the other parties planning to protect womens right?
Not very much it seems!!

Sorry about the voting options, I don’t know what I was thinking 😂

People who say “oh it’s just a tweet and so long ago” or “it’s only bants” - well research has shown a direct link between online misogyny, digital abuse, leading to physical violence. As their entitlement grows, bolstered by meeting other misogynists online they become brave. Vote them in and it’s saying this behaviour is a-ok.

Oh gosh again
I'm sorry to
Perhaps I'm not being clear this morning
But I'm definitely not here to have a go at any one
I think labour are the best we have currently..I just think people don't realise what changes they are making because they are not all over social media like reform and green are ..I think if labour pushed themselves forwards a bit and sang their own praises more , people might realise they are doing better than the media would have us believe

Oh good, sorry! I agree with the sentiment though!