AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

I take it that you'd be happy if the civil service decided that they would ignore all left wing socialist policies and enforced their own right wing policies in a complete reversal of what is currently happening then

They are the UK’s MAGA. And MAGA are keen to work towards women not having the vote. They will start with women who have no children. Vance has this view completely. Adult woman, no children, no vote.

It’s about priorities. I see those who vote for Reform as making a protest vote. They’ve decided that the most important issue of the moment is migration and they are prepared to tolerate stupid bloody politicians to try and facilitate change in that area.

I don’t think Kemi has misstepped yet since she’s come in as leader of the Tories and would much rather people stopped focusing on Nigel bloody Farage who won’t be able to do any of the stuff he has promised anyway and started focusing on someone who is treading an excellent middle path right now.

I’m no fan of Reform but have they committed to the US model of healthcare? I thought it was a case of committing to examining other systems, including the superior performing continental social insurance systems, to see if they could work in the U.K.. Most civilised parts of the world have other models that work very well.

You can’t ’rely’, as you put it, on the NHS now either. Yes, some excellent care, but it’s complete luck of the draw - you might also get no or appalling care. Look at the official CQC findings on failing maternity care, for example, or our very poor diagnosis and survival rates for many types of cancer compared to other European nations and Australia.

Unfortunately a lot of people cannot see past the asylum seekers. They just can't, it's the only issue they are interested in. Hook, line and sinker.

Women, and a lot of men will be cutting their nose off for sure.

The NHS just isn’t good enough. My vote will go to the party that convinces me that they will try hard to do something about it.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face

It’s not about reducing certain groups, it’s about saying that we simply allowed too many people to migrate here in too short a time. It’s crazy to me that anyone can argue that it was a good idea to allow the population to increase by the size of a big city such as Leeds in one year, and for the country simply to happily absorb those numbers, and do the same thing, year after year.

Reform are a bit light on detail. With policies for the NHS and the State Pension.
The NHS will exist but be so poor it will be for those who are unable to be accepted for health insurance or who cannot afford to pay for it. They do favour a health insurance scheme. Which will cost each family money each month.
Pensions they have looked to Australia and decided that it is asset based. So if you have assets you get nothing or a lot less. What happens to all the contributions you made in your lifetime nobody knows.

Kemi was utterly shocking when she became leader. She is starting to get better at speaking now though, must have been having lessons.

Agree with this. My grandparents came from another country and came here for work. I am not anti anyone. I’ve had enough of mass immigration.

Again, Labour (and the Conservatives) don't care about women either.

It's not my 'thoughts' on the debate, it's the real life harm. The rapes and sexual assaults in prisons, hospital wards and changing rooms, the illegal sackings for protected beliefs, the women and girls who couldn't access rape crisis support because men were using such places as fetish material. It's the real life pain and suffering that Labour and the Conservatives have inflicted on women and girls by not upholding their human rights. Surely you can see why some of us care more about that than a tweet?

And if you are really concerned about words, you should look into all the things Labour MPs have said about women and girls who are gender critical, e.g. David Lammy calling us 'rights hoarding dinosaurs' for not wanting men in women's spaces. All the vile things Labour MPs said about Rosie Duffield. The constant attempts to subjugate and shame us for recognising our own human rights and fighting for them.

I guess it depends what their priorities are?

And what does that mean ? To survive it needs Government funds.
It does have problems that need sorting out.
But Reform favours a health insurance scheme alongside it. So that means ordinary people who can afford a health insurance scheme and be accepted for one have to pay for it.
It will mean funds for the NHS will be very low indeed. It will barely function. But they can say it exists.

People don’t just want less new arrivals highly skilled or not they want the unskilled and low skilled to “go home” so the new highly skilled are taking their places rather than adding the numbers higher and higher still.

Thats the issue any immigration that just keeps pushing the population higher and higher is a big problem for some people.

Though also you’ll have those that like a few people have said just don’t like brown people as they put it.

I’ve got no idea who I’m going to vote for yet.

It’s like asking to pick between cat shit, dog shit, pig shit and cow shit 🤷🏻‍♀️ All shit but we will hold our noses and pick a stink.

I’ve always liked her so I probably wouldn’t agree although I’ll admit I haven’t contrasted earlier interviews with later ones. I just think she treads a very clever line between not capitulating to the madness and concentrating on common sense whilst not veering into hyperbole and getting everyone all wound up.

I am just watching QT. The green rep challenged Kenyon to apologise on air for his vile comment about Vorderman.

He didn't.

Labour have spent YEARS undermining women's rights in the names of progression. Earlier this week, we had dozens of Labour MPs stand up in parliament and make speeches about why single sex spaces are a terrible thing and why men-in-dresses should be allowed in there. Remember, this includes women's prisons and rape crisis centres.

The absolute smuggary of Labour supporters who think that woman are "stupid' for voting differently to them, when their votes are supporting the party of MPs like Nadia Whittome and Stella Creasy really boils my piss.

So who should women vote for?

Looks to me like a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Do you want these women hating fuckwits, or would you perhaps prefer these women hating fuckwits?

There is a bit of variation in the flavour of woman hating available. But the base recipe is the same.

Labour have stuffed up the jobs market. That's why immigrants aren't coming any more. Well done Labour.

That’s the point though. They aren’t looking down the line or reading Reform policies, they are being led by headlines re. immigration. I’m hoping that the absolute bin-fire of Reform in local government will prevent them getting in as PM.

Cow shit helps things grow. Vote for 🐄 💩 !

God ain’t that the truth. That post just won the internet today.

I honestly think Britain is a basket case. And utterly lost.
You have people thinking they can turn back time to god knows when there were barely any brown people here. A media that stokes all that up. Daily.
You have a bunch of people playing on that delusional aspiration but really they aren’t remotely interested in immigration themselves. But are very interested in the contracts that would flow after demolishing the NHS and all sorts of other organisations.
They are after money. Not remotely interested in migration at all.

It’s all about priorities and perspective, isn’t it.

I have been dismayed by the gender nonsense, but even at its very worst its impact on women’s everyday lives is infinitely less than what we could end up with. We also seem to be turning a corner on the extreme TRA stuff without the need for Farage to step in, so I find this an odd one to keep bringing up.