AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

What did you do to fit in with their culture, out of curiosity? Did you wear a headscarf, abstain from alcohol and extramarital sex? How's your Arabic? I assume you learned the local language right? And your knowledge of Sharia laws and protocols must be decent as when you move to another country you need to know and respect the local laws.

I doubt it.

But if you had done so you would be one of a vanishingly small number of British immigrants who do actually fit in with their adopted country's culture. We, as a people, are very much not a good example of people who integrate into places we move to. British immigrants almost never learn the languages of their new countries, they form little walled ghettoes with other immigrants (I refuse to use the term ex pats sorry) where they continue to eat British food and speak English. They send their kids to international schools where they don't follow the local curriculum or have to mix with local kids. We are bad bad bad at assimilating.

Is that you JD Vance? 😂

And this silly comment is why we are where we are today. It's the shutting down of legitimate concerns about immigration by saying 'racist'. Are you never going to learn.

That is very unreasonable. I don’t like the fact that 100s of undocumented men, including criminals (because that will be the case), from countries whose attitudes towards women are despicable are entering the U.K.

I don’t like Reform but I don’t see another party even acknowledging this fact. I live near Dover. I see the impact every day. I get harassed everyday by groups of men hanging around the high street. It’s not nice or safe. But don’t worry about me when it comes to being kind and nice.

So you hate the current lot.

But you can't honestly believe Nige is a friend to women? He wants to get rid of equality legislation and maternity pay!

It’s factual 😂.

UK net migration provisionally fell to 171,000 in the year ending December 2025, down significantly from the peak of 891,000 in 2022 (when there was a conservative government).

I’ve just pulled this from the Office of National Statistics website. Anyone can do the same.

But immigration is down 80%. The fact that people are still 'worried' implies it's not a factual position based on facts about what's happening. It's based on fear.

They call facts propaganda whilst spreading a false narrative which is completely unsubstantiated 😂

look at the figures. More people are leaving the country. Young people. My dentist is moving to Australia for a better life. He is young, successful - exactly what we need in the U.K. Not 1000s of uneducated young males.

Have you ever actually looked at a pie chart of the people who are coming in though? I did out of curiosity and it's pretty telling. About a quarter are students, ie: on short term visas. Reducing these numbers would be pretty easy but the university sector would go bankrupt overnight as they rely on the high fees international students pay.

About a third are coming in for NHS jobs. Another 20% for highly skilled professions, sponsored by employers (this will include, for example, some of the US senior management in my firm who have relocated to work for a UK business). It's pretty hard looking at the numbers to figure out which ones to reduce without causing massive knock-on impacts elsewhere.

Training our own doctors and nurses would probably be a good start as we shouldn't need to import these skills but that would require investment. And Reform won't make that investment.

We had nearly 800k incomers last year. Fact.

I found it shocking that women would vote for Starmer when he said that "it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix" and needed the Supreme Court to explain to him what a woman actually was. How could anyone think he would make a good PM after coming out with such nonsense.

Well the thousands of uneducated young males you are worried about are illegal migrants. Everyone agrees illegal migration is a Bad Thing, we just have differences of opinion on how best to deal with it.

The stats I'm referring to are of legal migration. Where you need a visa. And that's not thousands of uneducated men - that's people we are bringing over for very specific reasons, like to work in care homes and hospitals. The data is publicly available.

As I say, people shouldn’t fall for this propaganda.

Immigration is out of control. 800k in one year is madness.

But have you looked at what the makeup of that 800k was? I am genuinely curious which buckets you'd axe and the sacrifices you'd be willing to make? Reduce foreign students and bankrupt unit? Reduce NHS workers and have even longer waiting lists?

I really believe in democracy and if the will of the people is less immigration so be it. But where Reform are disingenuous is when they claim this can be done without making sacrifices.

But you keep on ignoring actually engaging with the facts. Which groups would you reduce? (the 800k doesn't include illegals)

It’s because they are brown. If they were gold and purple, it’d be fine. Oh hold on.. it’s not about colour at all, is it.. it’s quite simply that the country as a whole agreed, for the last forty years, to curb immigration, and ‘ democracy’ has ignored the massive agreement that we need to be curbing it.

stop being so facile and pretending it’s about skin colour. Utterly asinine of you.

Eat my KitKats sideways 🤣🤣🤣

Different women vote in different ways…. Women voting for Reform are voting against themselves because they are sexist….. Women voting for the Greens are voting against themselves because they won’t protect women’s single sex spaces….. blah blah blah

Whatever your thoughts on gender/trans debate, at least Keir Starmer won’t have a history of abusing women online or convicted of kicking his partner while she is lying on the ground. He hasn’t proposed scrapping the Equality Act. Reform don’t care about women one jot, they just jump on the bandwagon when they think it gets them votes.

I agree with your post. But illegal migration is my concern.

but out of interest My step son, 24 can’t get a job. He is unskilled but has experience in hospitality, childcare etc. so where are these care home jobs that he could do as we are not seeing them and if we do he isn’t even scraping an interview. So yes keep bringing in legal care workers if it means our youngsters stay unemployed.

Exactly this.
It's how they're (Reform) getting a foot in the door.
"At least they know what a woman is!" 🙄
Yes, but they don't give a shit about women and their rights even if they "do" know, so... why vote for them?! They're not for you!
It's crazy.
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Are there actually any women voting Reform?

There are always women who want to row back hard won rights for other women though out of some weird internal misogyny.

Ok thanks for the information. These aren't the only two options.

A very sensible and mature post!