AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

This doesn’t make sense.

Agree with you there.

I know a lot of people who plan to vote reform,and bizarrely they are all either 20 years older than me or 20 years younger

That's funny. I only know 3 people who voted Reform, they're 2 x early 50s and one of 60, so within the same decade. One of them is my DB, who voted for Farage, because he thought he was "a good bloke", but is pissed off with him now because he's written to him about something or other and hasn't had a reply or anything.

I think 88YO MIL might vote Reform next time if she's still with us though. She's pissed off that her GD can't get anywhere suitable to live (she's recently become disabled) and thinks that the country's "full up" because of "boat people".

I can't imagine any circumstances that would lead to me voting Reform. Possibly if there were only two parties and the other was out and out Blackshirts or something, but even then I doubt it.

😂 love that!

I think you've forgotten the vast influx of immigrants under Blair's Labour, they even admitted the numbers were much higher than they had anticipated. Remember the protests by British tradesmen and Gordon Brown promising British jobs for British workers.

We still had illegal immigration before Brexit except it was lorries that were used. Perhaps you have conveniently forgotten the tragedy in 2000 when 58 Chinese migrants were found dead in a sealed truck at Dover. It was only after a crackdown on this type of people smuggling that the traffickers started using boats.

Your voting is a bit backwards.
Yes, any woman/ethnic minority/working class/disabled person who would vote for them needs to wake up. They serve rich white men, no one else.

Misogyny is doing nothing about grooming gangs and saying men are women.

I don't like Reform but least they're not saying that.

Your thread title and voting don’t match. Hard to know what people are voting on.

Did you vote Brexit because Farage told us it would sort out immigration and the NHS too?

I have voted YANBU too as in YANBU to think women who vote Reform are voting against themselves. It was confusing.

But they won't, and that's the problem.

With no justification whatsoever, one poster says they are going to vote Reform because they want immigration sorting out. This is pure GB News, Daily Mail politics. All I did was a quick search and found FACTS.

Another poster calls it propaganda, and says don't fall for it. That's the level of joined up thinking that we have in this country. So ingrained in the anti immigration rhetoric spewed by Farage and his privileged ilk, they ignore actual facts and statistics in favour of made up scenarios and shouting.

No-one should be voting Reform. They benefit nobody but themselves. Their policies are unworkable and unaffordable, they are just sound bites.

Farage has now retreated back to his private members club after mobilising & inciting yobs to riot, who will now have criminal records..and for what?. He's laughing at them as his £5 million bribe gets knocked off the headlines.

You do you, let others do them OP. You and your views are not superior to anyone elses and vice versa.

I just find it ridiculous that anybody actually thinks voting makes a slightest bit of difference.

I've liked her in the past. She was impressive at standing up to the political establishment's entrenched trans 'rights' zealots while she was a minister for equality under Liz Truss.

I suspect that with Reform controlling a fair few councils, people's general election voting intentions in those areas might reflect their opinion of the preformance of their council.

I used to work for the county council where I live. It used to swap between Tory control and LD in coalition with Greens, but now Reform are the biggest group and trying to run it without a majority. I occasionally bump into former colleagues and apparently it's complete fucking chaos. Half the councillors don't even know what services are delivered by the county and which ones the districts/boroughs are responsible for. They keep wanting to do things to save money that are actually illegal , and have a bit of a "shoot the messenger" response when they're told that no, you can't just close a school or a waste site to save money.

Thankfully, we've only got them for 2 years. There are elections again next year for when the county council takes on all functions and the district/borough councils will be abolished in 2028.

Benefits - I'll become a crypto millionaire and my SIPP will explode.
I may not be able to afford eggs or health care, but who knows- I may retire early/loaded 🤷🏾‍♀️🤞🏾.

It didn't even need to be defined because it already was in both the Sex Discrimination Act and the Equality Act) but women were forced to go to court, twice, because a fanatical woman in charge in Scotland wanted to show her superiority over the UK, at the expense of women. Even after she was pulled up by the first court case, she still tried to pull a fast one by issuing statutory guidance enshrining false information about the definition. We owe a lot to the three Scottish women and supporters who battled on and won.

This is gauche. It shuts down discussion and is patently unfair.
Why do you do this? Why do others do it? Why can’t the discussion be had, properly?

Posts like this cement a divide rather than trying to bring people together with rationality and understanding. I despair.

I agree with you. I was listening to Barnaby Webber’s mother post enquiry who said difficult conversations need to be had.

I also think Kemi has it right, we need courage to talk about issues properly.

According to Indeed, there are 648 care worker vacancies in my county at the moment, and it's a fairly small county. I suspect that the actual figure will be higher, as not all care homes/services will advertise vacancies on Indeed.

Maybe your stepson should take a look on there.

Labour plants were quick off the mark, though!

Anyone voting for reform are automatically and obviously voting against themselves and the country but unfortunately I've never found one that has any modicum of intelligence. They're very much of the half a brain cell at best brigade.

The Office of National Statistics states that 2022 net migration was high due to both the Ukrainian visa scheme and the Hong Kong visa scheme. So not typical years.

Obviously you've never bothered to speak to people who are fed up of Labour/Conservatives and are turning to Reform. I know a few people who are voting Reform and they are highly intelligent.

If I'm a plant for being against grooming gangs targeting orphaned children with no consequences whatsoever so be it