AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

Yep, because women (particularly if they are white) don’t realise that “DEI” (or EDI as it is here) actually impacts on them.

But can't you see that there should never have even been a trans debate in the first place. How on earth did we as a country get to the point where the Supreme Court was needed to define what a woman is. It's madness.

I'm not sure that any of the main parties care about women to be honest. Wes Streeting once made a disgusting comment about a journalist yet Starmer still chose him to be part of his Cabinet. Does that make him as bad?

The only MP I have been impressed by recently is Kemi Badenoch.

I’d vote for a party that would focus on training our young up at uni, free courses for medical professionals paid back in essence by working for the nhs for X years. Open up more apprenticeships.

Know what a women is and protect their spaces.

Harsher sentences for sexual crimes.

More police.

More Sen schools.

If someone can start that party, the unicorn shit party I’ll vote for them 😅

It really didn’t. If you think the trans issue is the biggest problem women face in the world today, you’ve led a very privileged life.

Yep. But just Labour as a whole really, they’ve lost voters through their own ineptitude.

Exactly

You could be describing Labour, Lib Dem’s or Greens there with your last sentence

How did we get here? Culture wars largely stoked up by right wing politicians who couldn’t actually give a crap about the rights of women and weaponise violence against women for their own racist / phobic agenda.

All parties have issues with this.

The Green party has a huge problem with anti Semitism, as does Labour. If you vote for them are you endorsing Anti Semitism?

Reform will roll back the equality act, so white men will be prioritised for all jobs.

They "know what women" are - and that their place is in the home

The thing that really gets me though is that Reform will not actually do anything about immigration. It's what they are using to get elected but they don't care about it any more than they care about anything else.

I read a broadsheet paper (the Times), and would be hard pressed to find that info presented there.

On a similar note, Labour didn't really bother with defending their financial management record some years ago and lost the election as a result.

It's impact on women's everyday lives

You mean the impact on your everyday life.

It's had a significant and traumatising effect on lots of womens lives. And the only reason that it hasn't been worse for more women, is because of the people who have held the line, and taken the public punishments, at huge personal cost to themselves and to their families.

If someone will lie about whether people can change sex, I literally will not believe another thing that say. And I know that other women feel the same. The Labour party has underestimated the absolute fury of many women, who like me were life long Labour Party supporters. And I still don't think they get it.

Such a tired and nonsensical argument that anyone who would like immigration to be controlled 'hates brown people'.

If anyone should be asking Kenyon for an apology it should be CV herself. I'm quite sure she doesn't need anyone to advocate for her.

They don’t. But it is a major issue. Just like the NHS, immigrations, elderly care, etc etc. But as a women, I am affected by the fact that Labour and unison really don’t like women.

I agree. I know of some supporters with a disabled child. Seems absolutely crackers to me to support a party that clearly want to privatise the NHS which your child is so dependent on it.

And yet, in last night's debate, this didn't even get raised as a question.
I think because of the amount of space this issue takes up on MN, we can get a false sense of its importance in the mainstream. The women if Makerfield didn't choose to ask AB about this, despite much efforts to sway people away from him (on here at least) over his percieved fence sitting on the issue.
I have never heard any woman in RL give this as their reason for supporting Reform. Typically it tends to be stop the boats, because immigrant men are dangerous to women. Plus a lot of other things they see immigration as causing and believe a Reform vote will put a stop to, much like the men who vote Reform in that regard.

I did exactly the same!

I think everyone voting for Reform is voting against themselves unless they are rich, self-serving and power hungry.

Immigration is sorted. It only went out of control post Brexit, which I imagine you voted for and is at its lowest for years.

Pre 2020 the border was at the French side and they stopped people crossing. Brexit was enacted and we "took back control", the border moved 22 miles north and the French didn't stop them as we had control and the small boats arrived in numbers. An obvious result of Brexit. So those who voted to stop legal immigration got vast numbers of illegal immigration instead.

Typical, you get exactly what you vote for and then whinge because things work out inevitably and predictably worse.

Thick as fucking mince.

I am afraid heading toward any general election our media including social media will be full of MAGA ( possibly paid ) activists. And Russian ones too. Threads will appear aggressively undermining anyone with an opposing views.
Just be ready for it.

Given a lot of women have happily handed over women's spaces, places, and services to men just because they say they're women as well, I'm not surprised by anything anymore

Given the issues in the country trans discussions are not top of my list tbh.
They really aren’t.
They will be high on a Reform /MAGA agenda.

Carol Vorderman phoned Sarah Wakefield, the green rep, the morning of QT about the fact that Kenyon hadn't apologised and how distressed she was about that. So Wakefield was advocating on the programme for Vorderman at Vorderman's request.

You obviously didn't know this, but strange that you chose to criticise Wakefield and not Kenyon.

I get where you’re coming from @GreenSedan - I fully acknowledge that if I had faced what the likes of Kathleen Stock has faced my own take may be different.

As an individual, the biggest impact of it all was the horror I felt at seeing individuals and institutions turn their backs on logic and truth and punish those who didn’t toe the line. That impact wasn’t small.

However, despite all that I firmly believe that the impact on most of us will be significantly more drastic under a government that has said it wants to remove rights, downplays or even revels in aggressively sexist attitudes among its members and is in bed with the US right wing and all that brings with it. I say this as a woman who has never been pregnant, is moving past that stage of life and is personally more likely to face issues with lack of single sex spaces (hospital wards, etc.) than anything reproductive.