To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

[BritIndianGal]

A more sensible thread this time. I think all carrying of knives should be banned with no religious exemptions allowed , the law should be called the Henry Nowak Bill ....in memory of the young man who lost his life

I'm far more scared of Farage, Robinson and their slime trail than the entire UK Sikh community. Even as I type I know our local Gurdwaras are dishing out free food to anyone who asks. Where is the arsewipe Farage and his five million ? Who are they feeding ?

People keep giving examples of people who use knives in their profession. Do any of those walk around with it strapped to them 24/7 when they're not even working? Nope

How would you know ?

How would you know if anyone was carrying a concealed knife as they go past you ?

No. Stupid kneejerk bullshit.

Maybe he could use a silicon spoon instead?

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Ahh Mrs Pratchett.....

My other suggestion was going to be that we intermarry off everyone so there is no more separate races ....and that we have only one world religion, maybe Taoism ....

But yes just really very very upset about is all, about Henry's killing.
Only heard two days ago and saw the video

He says he'd prefer a fork 😂

But these people still need to carry knives to get from their homes to their jobs. DH has multiple pen knives etc. in his car for work as he's often working in multiple properties at once.

No thanks.

The knife that killed Henry Nowak was legally held.

10. You were sober but were carrying a large Sikh dagger in a sheath attached to a belt over the outside of your clothing. It is a strict requirement of the Sikh faith to have a knife, called a kirpan, at all times. Generally, this will be a small knife, hidden from view, often on a length of cord and worn around the neck.
You had that but, in addition, the large dagger in a sheath. You are a member of an order of Sikhs called the Nihang who have a tradition of having a second
knife, or kirpan and that is often fully visible, believing that the guru will look favourably on that. You observed that tradition in your everyday life, at work and in public. However, it was not a strict requirement; that is borne out by the fact that neither your brother nor father who arrived on the scene after you had stabbed Henry were so dressed. According to Professor Gurnam Singh, Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: "Over the last 30 years, there has been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in a desire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity."

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

No, it wasn’t a kirpan in style. However the killer belonged to a sect of Sikhs who are allowed to carry a second knife outside their clothing.

Please don’t promote misinformation by saying it was held illegally. It wasn’t.

Yes.
I think all laws should be the same for everyone from now on.

Exactly.

i seriously doubt anyone carrying one legally is the problem. (Ignore the oxymoron there)

the people carrying them illegally to cause harm aren't going to stop carrying them no matter what laws are changed or added.

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Literally by now we could have solved the big problem of human mortality, or the hard problem of consciousness as scientists call it, if we had all come together by now and focused on this

No, some of us aren't willing to be dictated to in the manner you've suggested so, literally, this is not a solution.

The ban you propose would be impractical in reality for the reasons already stated ie professions that require knives, eg chefs.

In addition, such a ban is unlikely to make a difference. If someone is intent on using a knife as a weapon to kill someone, then breaking the law is clearly not a concern for them. They are unlikely to be deterred from carrying such a weapon by any law when they are already planning to commit murder.

Never a legitimate reason... apart from the many that people have given on here already?

Like so many things, all a law would do would be to make things more difficult and inconvenient for all of the innocent people needing to use knives in their everyday jobs and pursuits, whilst the criminals simply wouldn't care.

If you make something illegal, the result is that honest people stop doing it, whilst those with bad intent continue to do it, only finding ways to hide what they're doing.

Also, as PP said, you can use loads of things as a weapon if you really wanted to. If you ban knives to stop criminals stabbing victims with them; either they ignore the new rule or they just start carrying rolling pins and smash people's heads in as well. If I walk home from the supermarket with a tin of beans, I could probably kill somebody with it, with a powerful blow to the head, if I were that way inclined.

I carry my swiss army knife with me most days. It's perfectly legal to do so - the blade is the three inches legally allowed, and I haven't modified it in any way. It's in a small purse in my backpack with other small handy items (like a mirror, small sewing kit, etc.) so not quickly accessible if I suddenly decided to randomly attack someone with it (this has never actually happened, I have used the knife to cut up fruit and cake, and the scissors, screwdriver, bottle opener and tweezers have seen a lot of use).

Fair enough

You could try reading the thread or using you imagination...

chef
electrician
gardener
pumber
decorator

I am not Sikh but have know very many through my life. As others have pointed out, the terrible murder of Henry Nowak was not carried out with a kirpan. Also, many Sikh men carry tiny symbolic ones a couple of inches long, or in sheathes that it is deliberately impossible to draw them from.

It is wrong that a symbol of justice and protection of the weak has been dragged into infamy by Digwa, but his actions are indicative of knife crime in this country generally rather than an issue in this specific community. People have forgotten that the Sikhs of Southall and elsewhere gathered at mosques, churches and synagogues during the 2011 riots to protect them.

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so long as it's silicon, else the tines might be too pointy!

I once accidentally stole a huge knife from a pub and was very nervous about how to take it back to them!

I am not sure regarding blades as a religious symbol. I am not religious so I probably don't understand, but I wouldn't want to risk someone taking it off me and using it on me!

But the bottom line is making them illegal wouldn't do any good even if it was practicable which (as many examples on this thread illustrate) it isn't. Awful people who are involved in crime (and the kids that they encourage to join them in their pursuits) are carrying blades about with them already, illegally. Burglary is illegal too, has that stopped it? Men aren't legally allowed to kill women either, we've all seen the stats on that. I think I've made my point.

OK thank you .....yes makes sense

I do think the existing legislation could use some clarification. The murder weapon wasn’t a kirpan but a “Persian blade”. The Sikh federation said it was an offensive weapon but the murderer had been carrying it openly at work and in
public.

Most of us couldn’t carry around an 8” blade at work (unless cheffing) but I can understand why people would struggle what does / doesn’t have a religious exemption. I wouldn’t necessarily want to argue the toss if I felt I was at risk of being labelled racist so it’s better there’s a clear definition.

It’s worth noting this is only coming to a head due to this horrible murder. Sikhs have been carrying ceremonial blades in the UK for generations without issue.